Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Oh god.

A Goon. Complaining about being on the wrong end of a sov war.

Of being unable to defend against an enemy that outnumbers them across a wide area.

Of the mechanics not favoring them.


******* PRICELESS!

I have had to defend, and mostly lost, space in probably half the regions in the game, under every single iteration of sov that we have tried since we stopped using POS's to determine who owned space. Including Fozziesov. And most of it to CFC fleets.

Of all of those systems, Fozziesov is both the most fun and the easiest to defend with an active defense. No longer is the optimal win condition to turtle 300 capitals under a cynoajmmer and make it impossible for an enemy to fight you without killing all those caps with subcaps. Especially since the defender gets to set the times when the timers are vulnerable, and when they come out of reinforced.

A smart defender can massively frustrate an attacker by simply jamming the entosis pilot, requiring the pilot to finish his current cycle, then restart and finish and entire warmup cycle, before they can continue making progress. Or blowing it up from long range. Or damping the lock range down below the distance to the node.

But see, to do this you actually have to go out and defend your space. Simply holding it doesn't make it unassailable without an enemy bringing everything and the kitchen sink to try and take it. Not that the old system would help you much since in the current war, your side is being outnumbered 2:1 or more in most major fights.

If an enemy can entosis 100 system and you can only defend one, you control far more space than you can defend, and should not whine when you cant hold it.

Fixed

The motivations of the man with the hammer are really not relevant when he's hitting you with it.

...and why I sometime refer to them as Band of Developers. You have to read in the old forums archive to get that.

Yes sure, let's not live in coalitions anymore. Then we'll surely be able to own sov and not be trolled by the rest of EVE that does not even bother to own sov - but "fozziesov is awesome!"

Fozziesov has basically given every single player, even those a week old - the firepower of a capital fleet. Not the EHP of a capital fleet. Yes they are glass cannons, but this amazing cheap firepower gives the attacker the possibility to troll, and attack everywhere as I said. The defender not only needs to form a fleet if the attacker rate of success is 1/100 and something is RFed, but during that time - something else is also RFed, because it's so cheap to do it.

Do you suggest that Fozziesov will make players live in small alliances owning just a few systems? What stops low sec people to form big alliances and troll them - or farm them for content? No big investment needed to provoke a timer, and a certain response. The new "capital fleets" are cheap. Relax in the wastelands of low-sec, and if you want a fight, troll the null neighbours a little. You don't want their space, you are not stupid. With all these advantages to the attacker, soon anyone trying to live in null-sec will be the laughing stock of all EVE while everyone else attacks them from places that cannot be RFed. It's already happening and of course "fozziesov is awesome" for those not living in it.

On 1: Yeah basically. A ton of the map is currently occupied by small groups each owning a small handful of systems.

As for #2, that's typically avoided by not being a grade A ******* to everyone you ever interacted with. Sorry, you're boned in that department.

In my region, (Fountain), there's at least 6 individual smaller factions, several of which are comprised of groups of smaller alliances.

There's "Space Texas" of Violence of Action + Cede Nullis, The Culture + their friends Chaos Theory, LowSechnaya Sholupen, Free Gates Coalition, The Old Guard, and Fountain Core.

Of course, most control one or two constellations, and actively live in and defend that space. Rarely is any of our systems more than a JB and 3-4 jumps away from the stagings system. It's easy to defend that way. While some of your space is literally regions away.

Hold what you need, and hold what you can control. Just as an example, GSF holds 119 systems with (exactly) 17,500 members. That's 145, lets call it 150 people per system. But since GSF doesn't routinely purge inactives, nor do they have any sort of required metric for PvP, you have an abysmal number of active PvP players as a ratio to the number of characters in alliance.

Between your long time strategy of weaponized boredom, and all the ill will your alliance has generated, you have too many enemies, too few PvP pilots, too few FC's, and far too much space for the forces you can muster.

P.S. You realize your alliances has basically been rolling over smaller groups and farming them for content and trolling them for years, right? You know, your whole Eurogoons, Reavers, and Miniluv squads? This isn't even the pot calling the kettle black.This is the BP oil spill calling a single aerosol can bad for the environment, and expecting sympathy.


TLDR: What you have done for years is being aptly done to you. Get wrecked, go homeless.

Tian, you keep making a fool of yourself whining about Aegis Sov. The simple fact of the matter is that it doesn't matter what sovereignty system you have when you are overextended and outnumbered 3 or 4:1. The Imperium is rightly reaping what we sowed for so many years. It will come out on the other side of this war a leaner and more efficient organization. And that is undeniably a good thing.

*cou.... this .....gh*


At least new Sov creates a 'wider spread' conflict area instead of a single grid like the old system. Helps disperse numbers and tidi.

Dissolve your coalition, get smaller and you will see how quickly "trolling" stops.

That aside, no one is trolling in Deklein by the looks. And if someone tried (in the past), Deklein residents either laughed at it (like they do with ratting carrier kills of low-class members) or formed a fleet to destroy the attackers (like with ratting carriers of higher ups). Other regions of CFC space were less populated and less defended and people in the past probably attacked the sov there to provoke fights without risking instant master blobs on their heels. Now, however, no one is trolling CFC space and the remaining 40% of Null sec population are all out attacking CFC space. No trolls anywhere. Thus, I do not see what you are talking about.
And when it comes to the time after large parts of the MBC left the area, it is only natural that no small alliance or small coalition can stand against 30k people (or even just the CONDI's 12k (sans their renters, although they should be counted as their line members regardless of status). If such a big group has nothing better to do than to troll smaller groups, you give MBC all the reasons they need to stay longer in the area and give you a hard time for a longer period.

And even that aside, if you do not undock from Saranen and fight the fleets presented to you on the silver platter, you can hardly accuse serious sov attackers as trolling. Instead, you are trolling yourself with your own incompetence and absence from your space.