Player Features and Ideas Discussion

As the game currently is, most players need to PVE in order to make ISK to PVP, however the problem is that PVE is so soulcrushingly boring normal people won't put up with it just so they can PVP.

Since it's basically impossible to make enough ISK to sustain yourself through PVP due to the majority of ISK value being destroyed, players lose motivation to continue to play the game.

Check out this recent kill - https://zkillboard.com/kill/52986643/
Players blew up a ship with 25b ISK in Skill Injectors. Regardless of the fact that the pilot was an idiot, he's not going to be coming back to play EVE again anytime soon. Thus CCP has lost a subscriber. And since the attackers have nothing to show for their efforts except high-fives all around, CCP has far undershot the amount of subscriber retention they could have had from this content.

Imagine if players got to keep even part of the 25b that they earned from the gank. The motivation they would have to keep playing the game to chase the next big payday would be enormous. But with the fact that they have nothing to show for their efforts, its nothing more than a "good job guys, here's a pat on the back".

I'm tired of being forced to PVE to PVP. A large number of gamers won't put up with it. PVE isn't changing any time soon, so please, make the game more palatable towards the general player's playstyle.

The word you are looking for is Insurance.

If you fly a t1 ships and platinum insure it, you get back close to the entire value of the hull of your ship for an upfront insurance cost of 30%.

That's a 70% return. If a person wants to fly without risk of significant loss, all it takes is flying a t1 ship and properly insuring it.

Good insurance for things above t1 or for all ships including cargo like you are proposing would ruin the game. As FT said, PvP in this game is motivated by loss. If killing your enemy causes them no loss, then most of the meaning goes out of PvP, and thus the game.


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P.S: the Loot Fairy giveth, and the loot fairy taketh away, in exactly equal proportion. Linking a KM and then trying to say that because nothing dropped in this one case that it's a huge problem is ridiculous. He had all that stuff in a can, and so the 50/50 drop rate for that can landed on the destroyed side, and everything in it by association.

Ganking. Pvp that pays. A lot.
FW also pays.
Flying cheap ships in gangs helps too.

I hope a long term game goal is to get rid of insurance. It's just silly in a space game. Seriously, how in debt is that insurance agency? How is it still solvent?

True. I still think it's needed for low-tier PvE though. maybe reduce it in level 3 and 4 missions. Maybe adjust the payout based on the security type of the system you were in, or the ship you were flying (so Pend, you pay out the same percentage for Prowlers and Sabres, seems realistic).

It is definitely daft and immersion-breaking right now, but then so is not being able to disable and salvage, or outright take as prize, enemy vessels.

Still, these would probably be quite developer intensive changes.

They got a pretty amazing killmail, precious snowflake.





If you feel that your only money-making option when the coffers run low is PVE content, you're doing something wrong. There's a myriad of things to do in this game to make money, only a part of which is shooting dumb red crosses on the screen.

So, Op believes PvE being boring is an issue.
Then lets change PvE to be less boring.......
Not try and link this issue to PvP somehow.

From a purely business perspective they probably don't care all that much. Did the guy not basically pay 25 months worth of plex at $18ea to ccp? So in essence they made their minimum viable return from him in just a much shorter time period. The more idiots like him the better, they're self regulating and over all don't have the influence to really hurt the game either in game or out of game.

We can argue whether the player in the linked kill mail quit as a result of the gank, we can argue whether players quitting because gank is good or bad for the game in fact we can argue about a great many things related to players quitting because gank. That players DO QUIT because gank is not something that can be argued about it is a fact, players have in the past, do currently and likely will quit in the future because gank.

Now to the other part about whether a player would quit over a 25 bil IKS loss due to a gank, do we really need to go into that. Over the years I have had corp members quit because gank of a 2 mil ISK ship, I have seen players loose more than 25 bil in ganks and it did not bother them at all, they simply increased prices on the stuff they sell to cover it over time. Quitting because gank has many reasons, some may because of a big ISK loss while others may quit simply because they wrongly thought Concord would protect them and when they are rudely awakened from the day dream they just don't want to be here anymore.

The answer is to make PvE more interesting, not remove one of the main things that makes PvP interesting.