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Concerning Diana's Cover

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Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#21 - 2016-04-05 03:51:24 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:

Due to her extensive history of pillorying Mokoto Priano for making false statements, I await Commander Kim's retraction and apology.

Makoto Priano is a known liar and coward, who have lost her honor when was demanded to stand for her words with weapons in hands(( https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=381560 )).

Unlike her, I am Caldari Officer, and I admit my mistake and bring apologies to Vero for incorrect statement. Obviously Vero was trolling even here though by claiming such a thing and doesn't deserve it anyway. But as Caldari I must not leave false messages.
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My Caldari father often told me that honor was the price we asked of ourselves. I don't know of any further Raata cultural connection to that concept, but that's what he'd say.

Personally, I was more drawn to ancient Rovenour codes of chivalry. Things like always offering mercy to those who ask for it, always giving aid and protection to the weak who need it, and fighting in the cause of justice not mere personal gain.

Can't say I've always lived up to those ancient codes, but I do admire them.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#22 - 2016-04-05 07:37:06 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:

Personally, I was more drawn to ancient Rovenour codes of chivalry. Things like always offering mercy to those who ask for it, always giving aid and protection to the weak who need it,

And that's why gallenteans are weaklings.

Rinai Vero wrote:

and fighting in the cause of justice not mere personal gain.

Fighting not for personal gain, now this is really worth admiring. Unexpected from gallenteans, who are known to be individualists. Caldari are known for fighting for common good and profit of the community rather than personal gains as well.

And of course I can't miss mention of justice.
I don't know though how a gallentean dares to speak about justice though.
To bring justice to Caldari-Gallete relations we should start with occupying Gallente Prime with prior orbital bombardment and keep it under occupation for the next 200 years. Do you still want to talk about justice?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Yarosara Ruil
#23 - 2016-04-05 08:59:14 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
My Caldari father often told me that honor was the price we asked of ourselves. I don't know of any further Raata cultural connection to that concept, but that's what he'd say.


I swear, is everybody and their mother in the Federation an hybrid or something? Is there no blood purity anymore? No eugenics?

Hybrids must have somehow better genetics that increase capsule interfacing compatibility. By the power of science and statistics, I'll get to the bottom of this!
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2016-04-05 11:39:52 UTC
Yarosara Ruil wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:
My Caldari father often told me that honor was the price we asked of ourselves. I don't know of any further Raata cultural connection to that concept, but that's what he'd say.


I swear, is everybody and their mother in the Federation an hybrid or something? Is there no blood purity anymore? No eugenics?

Hybrids must have somehow better genetics that increase capsule interfacing compatibility. By the power of science and statistics, I'll get to the bottom of this!


It's the Federation. It's a melting pot of cultures, cuisine culture, arts and etc. The whole racial purity concept isn't big there. Anyone is free to go marry anyone else, as long as it's not a smart AI.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Yarosara Ruil
#25 - 2016-04-05 13:41:34 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
It's the Federation. It's a melting pot of cultures, cuisine culture, arts and etc. The whole racial purity concept isn't big there. Anyone is free to go marry anyone else, as long as it's not a smart AI.


I dunno Mister Egivand... The Intaki are pretty high-strung when it comes to their culture. Same with the Jin-Mei. Ethnic Gallente on the other hand, their ancestry is all over the place.

But that doesn't explain the miraculous achievement that is being an Amarr-Minmatar hybrid capsuleer, as I've heard some claim. The statistical unlikelihood of it all...This whole topic began with accusations of Miss Kim being a Achura-Deteis hybrid, of all things!
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2016-04-05 14:08:36 UTC
Yarosara Ruil wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
It's the Federation. It's a melting pot of cultures, cuisine culture, arts and etc. The whole racial purity concept isn't big there. Anyone is free to go marry anyone else, as long as it's not a smart AI.


I dunno Mister Egivand... The Intaki are pretty high-strung when it comes to their culture. Same with the Jin-Mei. Ethnic Gallente on the other hand, their ancestry is all over the place.

But that doesn't explain the miraculous achievement that is being an Amarr-Minmatar hybrid capsuleer, as I've heard some claim. The statistical unlikelihood of it all...This whole topic began with accusations of Miss Kim being a Achura-Deteis hybrid, of all things!


Well, just because one is free to choose their marriage partners doesn't mean one is not free to choose to marry within the same bloodlines, does it now?

The Gallente especially are more eager to exercise their freedom whereas the other bloodlines remain more or less more conservative. The Federation does not impose any kind of restriction about who one can or cannot marry.

Though really, I think the time span for universal blood intermingling is a bit too short for all bloodlines in the Federation to be indistinguishable from one another even if everyone in the Federation choose to marry whoever they so please.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Persephone Alleile
Tartarus Covert Operations
#27 - 2016-04-05 14:16:09 UTC
Yarosara Ruil wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
It's the Federation. It's a melting pot of cultures, cuisine culture, arts and etc. The whole racial purity concept isn't big there. Anyone is free to go marry anyone else, as long as it's not a smart AI.


I dunno Mister Egivand... The Intaki are pretty high-strung when it comes to their culture. Same with the Jin-Mei. Ethnic Gallente on the other hand, their ancestry is all over the place.

But that doesn't explain the miraculous achievement that is being an Amarr-Minmatar hybrid capsuleer, as I've heard some claim. The statistical unlikelihood of it all...This whole topic began with accusations of Miss Kim being a Achura-Deteis hybrid, of all things!


We Intaki may be protective of our culture, but that doesn't mean we never take mates outside our bloodline. I have a Sebiestor grandfather for example.

I think since the various populations of the cluster have been in contact for several centuries now it's expected that there will be some mixing of bloodlines, especially in the Federation, which prides itself on diversity.

Yarosara, you might be interested in the concept of Heterosis, sometimes known as hybrid vigour. The idea is that as groups from distinct populations breed their offspring have increased biological fitness due to the larger genetic pool they draw from, which can increase genetic diversity and counteract some of the recessive traits caused by genetic drift or isolation. It's seen as the opposite of inbreeding depression.

I've also heard of studies from the University of Caille that found that individuals of mixed race are often perceived as more attractive, which may also help to explain why there is so much cross-pollination of the bloodlines in the Federation.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#28 - 2016-04-05 14:33:39 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:

It's the Federation. It's a melting pot of cultures, cuisine culture, arts and etc. The whole racial purity concept isn't big there. Anyone is free to go marry anyone else, as long as it's not a smart AI.

Freaking liar!
Gallentes are damn racists! Only in the Federation walking during a quiet hour along dark alley you can be approached by gallente citizens armed with cold weapons and be attacked because you are simply Caldari!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#29 - 2016-04-05 14:41:39 UTC
Has this happened to you personally Miss Kim?
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#30 - 2016-04-05 14:54:39 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:

It's the Federation. It's a melting pot of cultures, cuisine culture, arts and etc. The whole racial purity concept isn't big there. Anyone is free to go marry anyone else, as long as it's not a smart AI.

Freaking liar!
Gallentes are damn racists! Only in the Federation walking during a quiet hour along dark alley you can be approached by gallente citizens armed with cold weapons and be attacked because you are simply Caldari!

This situation is not unique to the Gallente. Every culture will have less than honorable xenophobic assholes, and when there are tensions between any two races, these people will only feel emboldened and justified in there actions.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#31 - 2016-04-05 15:01:58 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:

It's the Federation. It's a melting pot of cultures, cuisine culture, arts and etc. The whole racial purity concept isn't big there. Anyone is free to go marry anyone else, as long as it's not a smart AI.

Freaking liar!
Gallentes are damn racists! Only in the Federation walking during a quiet hour along dark alley you can be approached by gallente citizens armed with cold weapons and be attacked because you are simply Caldari!

And are walking down a dark alley with things of value possibly on them. Happens on Caldari Prime, on Pator, on Intaki, every planet. Manufacturing some racist intent to what is simply a mugging is a little bit of a stretch is it not? I'm sure some caldari do the same as this Gallante in your example.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#32 - 2016-04-05 18:34:00 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:

It's the Federation. It's a melting pot of cultures, cuisine culture, arts and etc. The whole racial purity concept isn't big there. Anyone is free to go marry anyone else, as long as it's not a smart AI.

Freaking liar!
Gallentes are damn racists! Only in the Federation walking during a quiet hour along dark alley you can be approached by gallente citizens armed with cold weapons and be attacked because you are simply Caldari!

And are walking down a dark alley with things of value possibly on them. Happens on Caldari Prime, on Pator, on Intaki, every planet. Manufacturing some racist intent to what is simply a mugging is a little bit of a stretch is it not? I'm sure some caldari do the same as this Gallante in your example.


Mugging on racial grounds is a lot less common back home, Deitra - if only because Caldari station populations tend to be a lot more homogenous. We don't have the same problems that the Federation suffers from - if only because we have a sufficient number of our own problems to occupy us.

That said, it does happen. A Gallente tourist who somehow finds himself wandering through a neighbourhood that is zoned for Prole entertainment could well find themselves in trouble.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#33 - 2016-04-05 18:38:48 UTC
Wow really? I kinda thought the problem would be more rampant, the whole hound eat hound stereotype and all of that. Guess I learnt something new.
Maguelone Sarpati
Doomheim
#34 - 2016-04-05 18:45:10 UTC
What constitutes a crime in one society may only represent a failure to look after oneself properly in another.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#35 - 2016-04-05 20:23:19 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Wow really? I kinda thought the problem would be more rampant, the whole hound eat hound stereotype and all of that. Guess I learnt something new.


I used to have quite broad powers to keep order, Deitra. Public Order is also generally something that the State is more interested in enforcing than the Federation, from what I've seen of the Federation.

Hound eat Hound, sure, but to express that by breaking public property and causing a disturbance? Don't forget that the strength of the pack is the wolf and the strength of the wolf is the pack.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#36 - 2016-04-06 01:50:59 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:


That said, on the original poster, I do wonder. Has anyone else noticed how strange it is that someone bearing the name of an important family to both the Syndicate and the Serpentis writes like a drugged-up Angel and works for a Blood Raider? And wrote about Papa Sansha himself, as well? Hell, she even used the Guristas here.

Pirate frappé.

There must be more cross-pollination between the non-signatory groups than I'd anticipated.


Pirate frappes can be quite delicious with a shot of loyalist passive-aggressive impotence and just a hint of salt with caramel.


Kurilaivonen|Concern

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2016-04-06 01:51:19 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Wow really? I kinda thought the problem would be more rampant, the whole hound eat hound stereotype and all of that. Guess I learnt something new.


As I understand it, their idea of 'hound-eat-hound' is less 'individual hound-eats-individual hound' and more 'hound packs-eat-hound packs'.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#38 - 2016-04-06 03:41:07 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:

Personally, I was more drawn to ancient Rovenour codes of chivalry. Things like always offering mercy to those who ask for it, always giving aid and protection to the weak who need it,

And that's why gallenteans are weaklings.

Rinai Vero wrote:

and fighting in the cause of justice not mere personal gain.

Fighting not for personal gain, now this is really worth admiring. Unexpected from gallenteans, who are known to be individualists. Caldari are known for fighting for common good and profit of the community rather than personal gains as well.

And of course I can't miss mention of justice.
I don't know though how a gallentean dares to speak about justice though.
To bring justice to Caldari-Gallete relations we should start with occupying Gallente Prime with prior orbital bombardment and keep it under occupation for the next 200 years. Do you still want to talk about justice?


That we are "weak" as you see it is surely why the Caldari aren't extinct, as many cultures discovered by the Amarr during their expansion have been for thousands of years. Were we naive in our desire to uplift the Caldari and others into the stars along with us? Perhaps so. But make no mistake, it was not weakness that seccessionist Caldari feared so greatly that they started a war to break away from the Federation. Soft power is still power, and what the Megacorporations feared above all else was that Caldari people would choose to become more like the Gallente with every passing generation.

They fear it still.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#39 - 2016-04-06 10:03:43 UTC
Karmilla Strife wrote:
Has this happened to you personally Miss Kim?

I have had enough experience dealing with gallenteans, ma'am. Including such that I'd prefer to never have.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#40 - 2016-04-06 10:23:16 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:

It's the Federation. It's a melting pot of cultures, cuisine culture, arts and etc. The whole racial purity concept isn't big there. Anyone is free to go marry anyone else, as long as it's not a smart AI.

Freaking liar!
Gallentes are damn racists! Only in the Federation walking during a quiet hour along dark alley you can be approached by gallente citizens armed with cold weapons and be attacked because you are simply Caldari!

And are walking down a dark alley with things of value possibly on them. Happens on Caldari Prime, on Pator, on Intaki, every planet. Manufacturing some racist intent to what is simply a mugging is a little bit of a stretch is it not? I'm sure some caldari do the same as this Gallante in your example.

Might happen on Caldari Prime in the territories still occupied by gallentean swines.
But not on New Caldari, for example. If someone will catch you in dark alley on New Caldari... that would be security patrol, who will light your face with flashlight and will ask for documents.

And what values are we talking about?.. We weren't allowed even to carry weapons when we stayed in foreign territory. That Caldari who was attacked didn't have even any jewelry, just a couple of clothes and an electronic identification card that only I could use. There was absolutely NOTHING they could take from her.

Thus explanation can be only one: hatred of gallente people to Caldari.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

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