EVE General Discussion

No, its because they don't need or want pve space. They subsist entirely on local moongoo where they live and their rather substantial warchest from the N3 days (oh god, there is SO much money still laying around from those glory days of slumlording) and AT winnings. And I assume members either incursion or have WH escalation alts or something.



They don't want to hold space. That's not how they want to play the game.

The pain train don't got time for entosis

It absolutely is proof you are over extended though. CFC held at one point 8 regions as a 40K man group. This is ~5K dudes per region. Collectively that looks good on paper since there were no coalitions really capable of threatening the sov of CFC. But again if we look at ProviBloc, they had 15K dudes in one region, and still lost some timers over the brief war vs CFC.

The evidence that CFC was over extended is right there for you if you wish to look at it. Even the leadership of CFC has admitted they were probably holding more space then they could reliably hold, which is why they made no effort to hold Cloud Ring, or Tenal, or Tribute, because it their ability to defend that space was ineffective and their active pilot numbers inefficient for doing so.

By rights CFC should have been holding 3-4 regions, or about half of what they initially held before this conflict started. We know that defense in this situation is possible, ProviBloc has already shown us that 15K man coalition is capable of defending a single region against an overwhelming number of people arrayed against it. Had CFC consolidated into Dek/PB/Fade/Branch their ability to defense those regions would have been much much higher with 10K people per region.

CFC is losing this fight not because MBC has more dudes, not because FozzieSov generates timers, but because they did not have the capacity to defend what they laid claim to, and now it is too late for them to redeploy to save anything, had they consolidated months ago, they would likely have already bled out numbers from MBC because grinding into a defended sov provides much less of a morale boost then steam rolling through 5 regions in two weeks because the occupants would rather run than fight.

TLDR
ProviBloc 15K dudes 1 Region, successful defense vs 40K man coalition
CFC 40K dudes 8 Regions, abysmal failure vs 50K man coalition

Math isn't hard, 3-4 regions, leaning to the lesser side depending on the quality of you PVP core. Provi has proven with adequate numbers you can defend your space against a much larger foe.

I'd go out on a limb and say ProviBloc wouldn't have been able to defend had we seriously wanted to invest more than a couple of days and actually claim it, which we didn't (why would we want to take a region at the other end of the cluster after Phoebe).

Also, the Imperium has in no way abysmally failed yet, so I'd recommend waiting with that statement until it has actually happened.

Compared to the Providence campaign, this war is already going much more slowly after having gone on for much longer, and it will slow down even more the more space we lose.

That aside, though, I do agree to a certain level. ADMs in some parts have not exactly been stellar when the storm hit. Deklein has a lot of sixes, and very few systems lower than 4, simply because it's being used by a 17k strong alliance.

So yes, having a 3k Alliance sitting on a regions worth of systems is simply too little people to properly occupy and defend it.

I agree, the situation has changed. But cut the crap about the imperium getting expelled for when you've actually managed to do it, will you? This war is far from over.

By this logic, the Imperium equals goonswarm. Because whilst you are still holding Deklein you are certainly not still holding Vale, Tribute, Fade etc. But I guess those weren't held by GSF so they don't count.

Ha trick question it's ALL mittens and Sion.

The Imperium has lost quite a lot of space, this is true. I just don't consider that an abysmal failure in the face of a force superior in numbers and grr. In a war like this, space will be lost. It would be an abysmal failure for the attacking side were it not so. Don't think in individual alliances, because that's not what we are - the Imperium is a coalition and should be seen as one. As long as at least one Imperium alliance still holds space, all members of the Imperium will have a place to stay.

edit: We also still hold most of the regions you listed. They certainly are on fire, but you have not taken them just yet.

You guys are funny, I'm having a great time watching the replies in this thread

*Looks at alliance tag*
I seriously doubt that.

If that were true you'd fight. As your overlord Gevlon has stated, since you've started entosising your stats have drastically reduced. Let's face it, you entosis some stuff to try to feel relevant then bomb yourselves at a gate. This is pretty much the entertainment you add (and you are very good at that so don't stop).

Not overextended so much as needing to focus our defenses because of the sheer number of players that are coming in. We certainly haven't lost any of our space forever since there's absolutely no way you guys are going to be able to either stay blue or continue this war for the years it would take to win it.

He may be, but that doesn't mean that right here he doesn't have a point. Entosis is boring.

But it's the same. You realise the only reason you are making a dent is because you are now in a blob lol.

"Finally, Lucas's complaints about nobody being able to go on deployment any more because they have to constantly defend their own space - surely that's a good thing? Why should you be able to go on vacation to kick over somebody else's sand castle, safe in the knowledge your own sand castle is safe while you do it?"
Why should sov holders be able to attack each other? I pretty much think that's the idea of the game mate. Holding sov shouldn't just mean you are trapped having to stand guard day in day out because any randoms with a sovwand can come and screw up the ADMs. If they are supposed to just defend then there should definitely be better defensive bonuses, as at the moment it seems like holding sov is more like a noose than anything else.