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Please make I-Hubs invulnerable or cheapen them

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Akballah Kassan
Flames Of Chaos
#21 - 2016-04-03 22:52:13 UTC
Quote:
that condor is a real threat. You have to stop what you are doing, dock-up, re-ship, go through all the work of organizing a new fleet, hope you bio'd recently, and go deal with it.


And there is your problem. If you have to wait for somebody to form a fleet to kill a lone entosising Condor you don't deserve your space!
GetSirrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2016-04-03 23:16:00 UTC
Gloom skull Dethahal wrote:

As I write this post:

The median price of an iHub is 781 million isk, sans any upgrades, sans any invested maintenance fees, sans player time.
The median price of an entosis link is 32 million isk.
The median price of a condor is .47 million isk.

781 million is no where near 32.5 million in value.


Mining Exhumer 200mil vs Catalyst 10mil. It does not apply at micro and so it will not apply to macro.

/end thread
Dark Lord Trump
0.0 Massive Dynamic
Pandemic Horde
#23 - 2016-04-03 23:27:53 UTC
Do you know why that single Condor can DESTROY (not merely reinforce) your ihub? BECAUSE YOU LET HIM. A T1 dessie beats him. If you're letting one Condor not only reinforce your ihub but apparently win the entosis contest all by himself as well, you don't deserve or even apparently want your space.

SMA sov tears are delicious.

I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!

tekmin
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#24 - 2016-04-03 23:44:58 UTC
Gloom skull Dethahal wrote:
I am not in any sort of leadership role in my alliance. I am not an FC, or anything special. I'm just another guy in the line, but I do have opinions. I'm pissed that some two day old alt blows up our iHub in a condor and I'm supposed to feel like Troll Sov is a good thing?

I hope iHubs will become invulnerable, because under the new sovereignty system they are far too easy to destroy. This current system discourages one of the most significant benefits of owning sovereignty, PVE activity.


-//-


As I write this post:

The median price of an iHub is 781 million isk, sans any upgrades, sans any invested maintenance fees, sans player time.
The median price of an entosis link is 32 million isk.
The median price of a condor is .47 million isk.

781 million is no where near 32.5 million in value.

Want to effectively raise and maintain you indexes, you have to have an iHub in system and you need players that are both available and committed to PvE activity.

How large is the difference between the training requirements and activity risk between the two activities: anchoring and maintaining an iHub plus indexing vs. flying a T1 entosis frigate into Null Space?


-//-


Certainly, I do not blame Trolls for being who they are. I do wish that CCP, you would come to understand that this is not a sovereignty system for small alliances, nor is this a sovereignty system for PvE players. It is a sovereignty system for PvP trolls. This system is heavily skewed toward the attacker. This system discourages one of most significant reasons behind owning sovereignty, PvE activity.

For three months we have been battling this March of the Trolls. (The Troll March is here to cause grief, not actually fight for space.) The Trolls form a fleet and their alts jump into T1 entosis frigates. While we try to engage their fleet, their alts run around entosising whatever they find.

Miners and ratters, it takes several of us spending many man hours hours in a single system trying to raise the indexes or fight decay. The Troll March only has to show up for the timer and the troll only comes in with a single T1 frigate to wipe out all that hard work and we lose our anomalies.

OR...

They send a bunch of trolls all over space to set notifications. In the old SoV system, we could send an interceptor to see that it was just some trolls hitting a PoCo. We could keep an eye on them, but they're weren't a real threat on their own, because a few trolls will not burn through all those shields. Not so in Troll Sov. In Troll Sov, that condor is a real threat. You have to stop what you are doing, dock-up, re-ship, go through all the work of organizing a new fleet, hope you bio'd recently, and go deal with it. Constant interruptions to our game time and constant interruptions to our socializing.

When this system released, I was very excited, because there seemed to be a direct path, other than tax, for my PvE activities to help the alliance PvP activity. Now that I'm living with the Troll March in system, who cares if the entosis cycle is 10 minutes longer. The Trolls just brought more trolls in T1 frigates. Plus, there seems to be no day off from the timers. Every day, during my play time, more timers, so I'm in my Logi ship not my ratting or mining ship.

I hope these iHubs change to be invulnerable, they become cheaper or we see some significant relief from vulnerability windows. CCP, you got your war, you got your propaganda, give me some time to shoot rocks with my friends. We're tired of the trolls.









P.S. To Pandemic Legion. This is not about you: PL proper, Waffles and your horde. We've been kicking your ass since January. (You DID NOT flip a timer without NC.) It's all these damn trolls.

As a few words of caution to your PL brand. Who are you? Used to be fighting PL was like getting whelped by Rooks and Kings. A good fight was something you were kinda proud of being able to bring. PL could bring the same doctrine, fewer numbers, out maneuver and win. That used to be okay, because back then you were PL.

Now you are people who blob small T1 fleets in your Command Ships or T3s. Or... the gate campers on the P-33 gate. On more than one occasion, PL, proper line members, have rolled over miners that fought back without putting a GF in local. Instead, we get hate speech in response to our own GFs. LOW CLASS. Is it your association with the trolls rubbing off? It's interesting to see you coming down to our level, but now, should we still compare PL to Rooks and Kings or should we compare you to The Marmite Collective?

While in EvE University, we had regular visits from Waffles and PL leadership. They spoke to us about an organization that focuses and prides itself on operational excellence and execution, and at some level, space bushido. Now, you're camping my gate in P-33. You'll get more kill mails on the Stacmon gate in Ostingele.

You are not beating the Imperium. The Imperium is too busy dealing with trolls. You want to prove something, separate yourself from the noise of the trolls, try holding Vale under your flag and let us see some ADMs.




you want space? you need to put work into it

you get attacked? defend


why should you keep something if you ain't ready to put effort and investment into it

cry us a river
Skyler Hawk
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#25 - 2016-04-04 00:06:10 UTC
Gloom skull Dethahal wrote:
In Troll Sov, that condor is a real threat. You have to stop what you are doing, dock-up, re-ship, go through all the work of organizing a new fleet, hope you bio'd recently, and go deal with it. Constant interruptions to our game time and constant interruptions to our socializing.


You don't need a fleet to deal with a lone entosis condor. Try something like this:

[Crusader, standard pulse]
Overdrive Injector System II
IFFA Compact Damage Control
Heat Sink II
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Initiated Compact Warp Scrambler

Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Energy Collision Accelerator II

It does 6.5 km/s with heat, whereas an entosis ship is capped at 4 km/s and can't warp while the link's active, so you can easily run that condor down and kill it all by yourself. No fuss, no muss, and no need to organise a fleet.
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
#26 - 2016-04-04 03:59:24 UTC
delicious tears!

Just Add Water

Gregor Regulus
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2016-04-04 11:23:24 UTC
No need to worry as you won't have any space by the end of this month.
Kieron VonDeux
#28 - 2016-04-04 16:25:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Kieron VonDeux
Isn't CAOD over there...
Just saying.

And OP, it sounds like your organization is under a bit of pressure which tends to make normal daily life somewhat difficult, and just so you know, That is the whole point.

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2016-04-04 16:37:16 UTC
Gregor Regulus wrote:
No need to worry as you won't have any space by the end of this month.


Even if so, all allies are welcome to crash at our place until the vermin issue has been taken care of.
WarFireV
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2016-04-04 16:43:21 UTC
This is the reason we are fighting these wars people, for glorious post like this. Just read it and let it soak in, it's like a shot of coke in the morning.
Aiwha
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#31 - 2016-04-04 16:47:29 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
Gregor Regulus wrote:
No need to worry as you won't have any space by the end of this month.


Even if so, all allies are welcome to crash at our place until the vermin issue has been taken care of.




Might want to pass that with The Mittani, I beleive he ordered all the "valued allies" to group up between Dek and the angry mob.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.

Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#32 - 2016-04-04 16:50:03 UTC
Dear SMA pilot:

Your coalition long ago argued that cost should not be considered in balance.


Sorry they ruined this for you, maybe seek a better group of people with more thought about the future results of their current actions.

Thanks

PL's Head SRP Officer.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.

Uba Stij
Doomheim
#33 - 2016-04-04 16:52:33 UTC
"Cost shouldn't be considered in balancing game mechanics." - CFC
White 0rchid
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#34 - 2016-04-04 16:56:46 UTC
Gloom what happened to you after you left uni man. You chose the wrong bros to hang with. Sorry they abandoned you :(
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2016-04-04 16:56:59 UTC
Aiwha wrote:
Might want to pass that with The Mittani, I beleive he ordered all the "valued allies" to group up between Dek and the angry mob.


As long as there is sovereign space, no reason not to use it. I've been making space money in Pure Blind last week, and I didn't feel too meatshieldy. Actually, I didn't notice any more enemy presence than I'm used to from ratting in Deklein anyway. Try harder.
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#36 - 2016-04-04 16:57:48 UTC
Skyler Hawk wrote:
Gloom skull Dethahal wrote:
In Troll Sov, that condor is a real threat. You have to stop what you are doing, dock-up, re-ship, go through all the work of organizing a new fleet, hope you bio'd recently, and go deal with it. Constant interruptions to our game time and constant interruptions to our socializing.


You don't need a fleet to deal with a lone entosis condor. Try something like this:


Well if OP or his friends were competent enough to hunt down a condor this thread wouldn't be a thing.

❤️️💛💚💙💜

IronBank
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2016-04-04 16:58:07 UTC
G O L D B O I S

Shhhh SMA don't fight it, just close your eyes and accept what is coming.
Aiwha
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#38 - 2016-04-04 17:12:35 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
Aiwha wrote:
Might want to pass that with The Mittani, I beleive he ordered all the "valued allies" to group up between Dek and the angry mob.


As long as there is sovereign space, no reason not to use it. I've been making space money in Pure Blind last week, and I didn't feel too meatshieldy. Actually, I didn't notice any more enemy presence than I'm used to from ratting in Deklein anyway. Try harder.



That carrier and rorq yesterday would disagree.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.

Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
WE FORM BL0B
#39 - 2016-04-04 17:35:44 UTC
~the necessary supremacy of subcapital ships~
Uba Stij
Doomheim
#40 - 2016-04-04 17:37:19 UTC
Also, didn't your alliance abuse this same thing when you went to Providence? Or am I just confused?
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