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Orlacc
#21 - 2012-01-11 16:15:50 UTC
You hang out with tools and it's the game's fault?

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#22 - 2012-01-11 16:25:03 UTC

Lesson 1.) Most activities in EvE are centered around risks. Those risks materialized in lost assets, lost isk, lost time, and in your case.... lost money!

Lesson 2.) Area of effect lesson are an easy way to get concorded in hi-sec.

Lesson 3.) Bigger is not better. A BS can be killed by a frigate. And if you don't have the skills to really fly the BS, this is even more-so.

Welcome to EvE. Sorry the lessons were so rough!
Velicitia
XS Tech
#23 - 2012-01-11 17:04:05 UTC
OP, If I'm understanding you correctly, it was your FRIEND who sent you to the RMT site (the one they scrubbed out of your post)? You would do well to distance yourself from them... CCP does not take kindly to RMT ...

As for the other things, they've all been said (bigger is not necessarily better, smartbombs in hisec are you asking for trouble, etc)

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
BuzzyBeagle
Centers for Intergalactic Mercantile Acquisition
#24 - 2012-01-11 18:39:16 UTC
OP, as previously discussed, send me 2 Billion ISK [IN PLEX only not ISK] and i will make all of your problems go away
Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#25 - 2012-01-12 07:06:34 UTC
Captain Nathaniel Butler wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Captain Nathaniel Butler wrote:
Gen Fesslenski wrote:
Hello, I'm about 3 weeks old

Reading comprehension FTW Roll


When I was 3 weeks old I knew enough to not to do all things OP did.

Information gathering FTW!



Yaaay! for you - you simply rock!

However not every 3 week old is aware of all things EvE - perhaps it would serve you well to remember that.


It doesn't take a great deal of knowledge of EvE, or any other mmo, to know that maxing out your CC to buy game currency for a game you know nothing about is stupid. Even more so in a game where you can lose anything and everything.

I don't always use hax. But when I do, it's because I'm an NPC.. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
Hijeri
Interstellar Manufacturing of Gravity Aided Yields
#26 - 2012-01-12 09:07:13 UTC
This is ******* hilarious.

OP, you are ******** and deserve everything that happened to you.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-01-12 10:29:49 UTC
Gen Fesslenski wrote:
Hello, I'm about 3 weeks old and am pretty fed up with this game already. Thanks to joining an old real life friends fail corp and spending my last 3 weeks getting blown up by far superior ships and ship skills in high sec space, I went through 2 GTCs in ships and received no help at all.

The corp leader, who had been offline for 3 months had left a faction pos to the corp and every passing pirate wanted to take potshots at it, we (7) ended up getting wardecced by a griefer alliance when a spy infiltrated the corp, and I lost 1.1bn in a single day getting ganked while doing missions. (For anyone who asks how that was possible, I bought a navy scorpion after power leveling myslef to battleships I so i could join a corpmate in lvl4s and got ninja'd by the spy putting a covert ship in range of smartbombs whilst we were getting ninja salvaged, the ship had t2 rigs that my corp mate had fitted.)

Now to the point.

After being told that I could trust a certain friend of his in another corp, I was offered a ship for 2bn with rigs. A small (300m) saving. I had learned that its worthless to fly something you dont have the skills to do good dps in so it was going to sit in my hangar for a while but the offer was very good so I took it with the intention of making a frined in another corp. (it was a Bhaalgorn fully t2 fitted). After directing me to a bad site (Removed the name of a EULA-violating site. Spitfire) to buy GTC as I had already bought the limit from my battleclinic, I found out it was a scam and told him. He went on about how desperate he was for the money so I found another place on google official list and bought more, and I waited for him in Jita. He threatened to have my account banned for buying from an illegal site if I didn't buy the ship and filed a petition against my char, so I gave him the 2bn and as I expected he never turned up, saying he filed me as an ISK spammer as well for giving him the money but as he has filed petitions against me in an attempt to extort my char I should be able to get it back right?


First of all: Don't blame a game for personal mistakes you made.

And if you went through 2 GTC (approx 1.8bil ISK) worth of ships in your first 3 weeks you are definately doing something wrong.

I see 3 mistakes for a start:

1.) You rushed into a ship, which means you don't have the required skills to properly fly a ship (Sitting in a ship doesn't mean you can actually fly it properly)
2.) You think that bigger is better. In EVE this is totally the other way around. Why would you fly a faction scorp when you are teaming up in lvl 4's, if you do it with multiple people 1 guy in a raven/tengu is enough, you should have flown in a BC which is more then enough if you guys manage to distribute the aggro properly. And why for god sake did you use T2 rigs when T1 are more then enough to do lvl 4 missions (for a referance, I can do lvl 4's in my Drake (Battlecruiser), some may be hard to complete and need a couple of quick emergency warps to complete them)
3.) You were doing missions while you have an active war and even more when one if those war targets was in local. Also Smartbombs in high-sec are just plain stupid to use when you don't know to use them properly.

Conclusion: It's not the game that is broken or stupid, it's YOU. You spent loads of money on a ship a 3 week old toons shouldn't be flying and then you cry when you lost it (Eve rule number 1: Don't fly what you can't afford to loose / replace).
(again a referance, my one month old alt character is currently flying cruisers as it can't and shouldn't be in anything higher with the level of skills it has)

In general rule number 1 means you should at least have a wallet that is high enough to replace the ship you are flying and if possible even twice. Also powerleveling in EVE doesn't exist, skills to fly a ship properly (Ship skills, fitting skills, support skills etc) come with time and can't and shouldn't be rushed.

EVE rule number 2: Don't trust anyone who you can't kick in the ball in real life (aka know in real life).
EvE rule number 3: If it sounds to good to be true, IT IS

So far you have neglected to follow the 3 most basic rules of EVE.

On your side an inactive corp doesn't particularly help you to get used to EVE Online, but on the other hand, why stick with such corp. There are hundreds of corps you can join.

On RMT, entirely your own mistake. EULA states that buying ISK using RL money is prohibited and will result in CCP taken the same amount of ISK bought from your wallet even if it's not there anymore or it can even result in a ban. Should have read the EULA before accepting it (I'm seeing a nice link to the South Park episode of Apple User agreements).

If you want to learn EVE Online:

Take it 1 step at the time, start small, when you can fly frigates properly, move to cruisers, when you can use those properly, battlecruisers are the next step, etc etc.

And be open help, asking help isn't a sign of failure. Loads of other 3 week old toons like the game mainly as they are not stupid deucebags and they ask how to play EVE like a new player should. If they have questions, they ask them (Rookie Help, Help or Corp chat) and they will be answered by people who know the answer.

Also cut all ties with that 'friend' you had that got you into this trouble as for what I can see he is one of the main reasons you are in this situation.

TL-DR: The game isn't broken, the game isn't stupid. The OP is just a ****** and blaming others for mistakes he made. If you leave, bye bye and good luck in the rollercoaster MMO Blizzard made. Hope they will hold your hand and stop you from being a ****** who makes one mistake after the other.

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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#28 - 2012-01-12 18:16:34 UTC
I'd trash you RL buddy, if i were you, for being such an a-hole towards you but thats just me. P
Gen Fesslenski
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-01-12 21:32:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Gen Fesslenski
malaire wrote:
Othran wrote:
I'm afraid the IP address that website is on is a known RMT site.

Other websites using it are : worldofwarcraft-leveling.com; worldofwarcraft-powerleveling.com; swagvault.net

In fact when you look at swagvault.com its immediately clear that its a RMT site. There's no mention of GTCs and "Deliver by Contract in game. Please log in game to receive the Contract in 2 hours after you place the order." is crystal clear.

The OP is going to be banned and frankly its their own fault.

CCP does not ban player for buying ISK, CCP just takes that ISK away (possibly causing wallet to go negative.) But since OP did not get any ISK, she might not get any consequences from this.

But yes, I just checked that site more closely and it is selling ISK not PLEX or GTC - and buying ISK with real money is against EULA.



REMOVED AT MODS REQUEST

THat was the exact page I was directed to, becaue it only shows GTC I assumed it would be fine.Yeah,it was dumb but I was naive in thinking that CCP would have pursued anyone that advertised to sell their 'secure' stuff.
Gen Fesslenski
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-01-12 21:43:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Gen Fesslenski
Double post
Gen Fesslenski
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-01-12 21:54:15 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Captain Nathaniel Butler wrote:
However not every 3 week old is aware of all things EvE - perhaps it would serve you well to remember that.


Well, yes we should nurture every dumba*s too lazy to do a little reading before blitzing his credit card for a tengu with spinners or sth else from hidden market part called "instant win".



Or maybe you should accept the fact that 90% of the people that learn how to play this game learn from somebody else, be it their clan, clan's friends (seeing as all my irl friends didn't do pvp and thats what I wanted) or irl friends. Eve is damn near scarily complex for a first time player and I've never played an MMO in my life. I made bad decisions. Boo hoo. Now I want to know if I can fix them. Is that a huge amount to ask, cos it seems that a lot of the people that have posted (not everyone) simply wants to post absolutely useless stuff.

sth else from hidden market part called "instant win"

^Makes no sense
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#32 - 2012-01-12 22:56:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrus Blackshell
If you were scammed for ISK or items in-game it is extremely unlikely for you to get anything back, regardless of where the ISK or items came from. Eve is "scammer-friendly" that way. It doesn't sound like you broke the EULA -- CCP Spitfire read your post and censored the name of the bad site, and you didn't get in trouble -- but other than that you might be out of luck.

Try to petition to get a GM to look at it. That's the best you can do. Be courteous and explain everything clearly, and be patient for a response (they're a little overloaded right now).

Gen Fesslenski wrote:
Is that a huge amount to ask, cos it seems that a lot of the people that have posted (not everyone) simply wants to post absolutely useless stuff.


Welcome to the Eve forums! Even I post absolutely useless stuff when I think the OP is absolutely useless, stubbornly ignorant/dumb, or a troll. Plain ol' ignorance and being a newbie doesn't normally make people this irate.

What stirred everyone up is you being "one of those people" who spend tons of RL money on ships that you really are not prepared to fly after what looks like less than 1 month of play . Those people tend to get labeled as "noobs" rather than "newbs" (see this for the difference) and they tend to get trolled into the ground.

Most people do indeed learn to play from others, and if the people you've been hanging out with so far got you into this situation... well... I would recommend finding different people. There are plenty of newbie-friendly corps (like mine) who would love to show you around.

Just don't lose ships worth hundreds of millions of ISK until you have some credible argument as to why you can competently fly them and need to do fly them.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#33 - 2012-01-13 07:17:08 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
What stirred everyone up is you being "one of those people" who spend tons of RL money on ships that you really are not prepared to fly after what looks like less than 1 month of play .


^^This

Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Just don't lose ships worth hundreds of millions of ISK until you have some credible argument as to why you can competently fly them and need to do fly them.


^^This

And from me piece of advice: don't let people bully you into throwing RL money on Eve pixels you don't need and can't use. Buying one or two PLEXes from time to time to keep your pvp going is ok especially if you don't want to grind ISK by mining or missions or whateva but spend those iskies on something you can NOW use for squeezing fun out of Eve's cold world.

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Gen Fesslenski
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-01-13 10:30:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Gen Fesslenski
Mistake.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-01-13 10:35:05 UTC
Gen Fesslenski wrote:
Gen Fesslenski wrote:
Hello, I'm about 3 weeks old and am pretty fed up with this game already. Thanks to joining an old real life friends fail corp and spending my last 3 weeks getting blown up by far superior ships and ship skills in high sec space, I went through 2 GTCs in ships and received no help at all.

The corp leader, who had been offline for 3 months had left a faction pos to the corp and every passing pirate wanted to take potshots at it, we (7) ended up getting wardecced by a griefer alliance when a spy infiltrated the corp, and I lost 1.1bn in a single day getting ganked while doing missions. (For anyone who asks how that was possible, I bought a navy scorpion after power leveling myslef to battleships I so i could join a corpmate in lvl4s and got ninja'd by the spy putting a covert ship in range of smartbombs whilst we were getting ninja salvaged, the ship had t2 rigs that my corp mate had fitted.)

Now to the point.

After being told that I could trust a certain friend of his in another corp, I was offered a ship for 2bn with rigs. A small (300m) saving. I had learned that its worthless to fly something you dont have the skills to do good dps in so it was going to sit in my hangar for a while but the offer was very good so I took it with the intention of making a frined in another corp. (it was a Bhaalgorn fully t2 fitted). After directing me to a bad site (Removed the name of a EULA-violating site. Spitfire) to buy GTC as I had already bought the limit from my battleclinic, I found out it was a scam and told him. He went on about how desperate he was for the money so I found another place on google official list and bought more, and I waited for him in Jita. He threatened to have my account banned for buying from an illegal site if I didn't buy the ship and filed a petition against my char, so I gave him the 2bn and as I expected he never turned up, saying he filed me as an ISK spammer as well for giving him the money but as he has filed petitions against me in an attempt to extort my char I should be able to get it back right?


First of all: Don't blame a game for personal mistakes you made.

And if you went through 2 GTC (approx 1.8bil ISK) worth of ships in your first 3 weeks you are definately doing something wrong.

I see 3 mistakes for a start:

1.) You rushed into a ship, which means you don't have the required skills to properly fly a ship (Sitting in a ship doesn't mean you can actually fly it properly)
2.) You think that bigger is better. In EVE this is totally the other way around. Why would you fly a faction scorp when you are teaming up in lvl 4's, if you do it with multiple people 1 guy in a raven/tengu is enough, you should have flown in a BC which is more then enough if you guys manage to distribute the aggro properly. And why for god sake did you use T2 rigs when T1 are more then enough to do lvl 4 missions (for a referance, I can do lvl 4's in my Drake (Battlecruiser), some may be hard to complete and need a couple of quick emergency warps to complete them)
3.) You were doing missions while you have an active war and even more when one if those war targets was in local. Also Smartbombs in high-sec are just plain stupid to use when you don't know to use them properly.

Conclusion: It's not the game that is broken or stupid, it's YOU. You spent loads of money on a ship a 3 week old toons shouldn't be flying and then you cry when you lost it (Eve rule number 1: Don't fly what you can't afford to loose / replace).
(again a referance, my one month old alt character is currently flying cruisers as it can't and shouldn't be in anything higher with the level of skills it has)

In general rule number 1 means you should at least have a wallet that is high enough to replace the ship you are flying and if possible even twice. Also powerleveling in EVE doesn't exist, skills to fly a ship properly (Ship skills, fitting skills, support skills etc) come with time and can't and shouldn't be rushed.

EVE rule number 2: Don't trust anyone who you can't kick in the ball in real life (aka know in real life).
EvE rule number 3: If it sounds to good to be true, IT IS

So far you have neglected to follow the 3 most basic rules of EVE.

On your side an inactive corp doesn't particularly help you to get used to EVE Online, but on the other hand, why stick with such corp. There are hundreds of corps you can join.

On RMT, entirely your own mistake. EULA states that buying ISK using RL money is prohibited and will result in CCP taken the same amount of ISK bought from your wallet even if it's not there anymore or it can even result in a ban. Should have read the EULA before accepting it (I'm seeing a nice link to the South Park episode of Apple User agreements).

If you want to learn EVE Online:

Take it 1 step at the time, start small, when you can fly frigates properly, move to cruisers, when you can use those properly, battlecruisers are the next step, etc etc.

And be open help, asking help isn't a sign of failure. Loads of other 3 week old toons like the game mainly as they are not stupid deucebags and they ask how to play EVE like a new player should. If they have questions, they ask them (Rookie Help, Help or Corp chat) and they will be answered by people who know the answer.

Also cut all ties with that 'friend' you had that got you into this trouble as for what I can see he is one of the main reasons you are in this situation.

TL-DR: The game isn't broken, the game isn't stupid. The OP is just a ****** and blaming others for mistakes he made. If you leave, bye bye and good luck in the rollercoaster MMO Blizzard made. Hope they will hold your hand and stop you from being a ****** who makes one mistake after the other.


How nice to copy my post, I feel honoured the OP does that

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#36 - 2012-01-13 10:36:52 UTC
J'Poll wrote:

How nice to copy my post, I feel honoured the OP does that


I am sure he was blackmailed into this, too :)

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-01-13 10:43:23 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
J'Poll wrote:

How nice to copy my post, I feel honoured the OP does that


I am sure he was blackmailed into this, too :)


Don't tell that to anyone please, let me have my fun and giggles for once

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Gen Fesslenski
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-01-13 10:44:56 UTC
J'Poll firstly thank you for the valid points. There is a lot to learn there and it's good to be pointed in the right direction, but you sir are a douche yourself for being such a prick when replying. learn to give advice respectfully, cos nobody likes a keyboard warrior.

One or two points I'll highlight.

Quote:
First of all: Don't blame a game for personal mistakes you made.


Who's blaming the game? I said I am tired of it. If you play CoD one day and come last 5 times in a row, its not the games fault but you wouldn't be wrong for not wanting to play it.

Quote:
Conclusion: It's not the game that is broken or stupid, it's YOU. You spent loads of money on a ship a 3 week old toons shouldn't be flying and then you cry when you lost it (Eve rule number 1: Don't fly what you can't afford to loose / replace).
(again a referance, my one month old alt character is currently flying cruisers as it can't and shouldn't be in anything higher with the level of skills it has)


Am I stupid for not assuming bigger or more expensive was better? A bigger engine is better. This is my first MMO, I came from X3. Bigger ships are certainly better there. Bigger houses are better. Nobody told me otherwise. They told me it was a player driven economy so wouldn't the effects of supply and demand make the best ships the most expensive?

Quote:
In general rule number 1 means you should at least have a wallet that is high enough to replace the ship you are flying and if possible even twice. Also powerleveling in EVE doesn't exist, skills to fly a ship properly (Ship skills, fitting skills, support skills etc) come with time and can't and shouldn't be rushed.


I can replace all the ships I ever had right now. But as you said before bigger is not better so I wont.

Quote:
On RMT, entirely your own mistake. EULA states that buying ISK using RL money is prohibited and will result in CCP taken the same amount of ISK bought from your wallet even if it's not there anymore or it can even result in a ban. Should have read the EULA before accepting it (I'm seeing a nice link to the South Park episode of Apple User agreements).


I ddint buy ISK I attempted to buy GTC. I will PM you the link if you want, but CCP doesn't want it on the forums as it violates EULA for selling ISK as well. I was under the assumption that CCP would get sites selling fake/scam versions of their goods would get shut down and therefore the only ones still up would be safe, so yes I was naive and stupid, fair enough.

Quote:
And be open help, asking help isn't a sign of failure. Loads of other 3 week old toons like the game mainly as they are not stupid deucebags and they ask how to play EVE like a new player should. If they have questions, they ask them (Rookie Help, Help or Corp chat) and they will be answered by people who know the answer.


Maybe if people like you didn't talk to me like a **** when I asked for help I might do it more often. Yes, I bought a stupid amount of GTC. Yes, I got scammed. Now I am asking for help.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-01-13 10:46:47 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
I'm getting the distinct impression that the OP is a stupid person who makes bad descisions and gets screwed over because of his own idiocy pretty much constantly.


Finally, someone who is smart. Vimsy you are completely right

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#40 - 2012-01-13 11:07:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Schmata Bastanold
Gen Fesslenski wrote:
Yes, I bought a stupid amount of GTC. Yes, I got scammed. Now I am asking for help.


Nobody will help you because scamming is not against Eve rules, it is one of a pretty much a core game principle.

What you can do is read newbie tutorials, guides, forums and start playing with ships you at least have a chance to properly use at your age.

If you are not sure how something works or what to do google it, 99,9% of newbie problems are common and plenty of explanation were given already. You just have to search for it. And if you can't find what you want to know post your question and somebody will answer. Good questions are worth good answers, stupid one get trolled and ridiculed.

I can tell you what I did at very beginning of Eve adventure.

I came here and read a f*cking amount of topics even those I did not understood what were about. Falloff, transversal, powergrid, logi, etc - that was all new and I had to understand those things,

I learnt that there are scammers and basically everybody will try to blow my little ship up. And that ppl lie and trick you if you let them.

I watched videos presenting little frigs blowing up big ships.

I googled "eve online blog" and read blogs written by players. I knew there is a newbie way of getting into pvp by commonly adviced "get a bunch of frigs and lose them in flames"

That was BEFORE I even started a trial so at a moment I created this toon I had a slight idea what is awaiting for me. And I bought two PLEXes and sold second one last week, first one was enough for over 3 months of fun.

You obviously did not do that and frankly speaking I don't think you understand you should do your homework now. ASAP.

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