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Please reduce the number of SOV timers

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#421 - 2016-04-04 11:08:00 UTC
Dark Lord Trump wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Except this isn't true, since all it takes is flying in and triggering timers forcing the defender to respond until the windows get wide enough that they can't stop them all.

Lucas Kell wrote:
stop them all



Ah, there's your problem. You've overextended and can't defend all your space, so it gets taken from you.

I think it’s a bit more complicated than that. Even if they consolidated to a single null constellation I doubt they’d be able to defend against the current opposition.

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#422 - 2016-04-04 11:17:29 UTC
Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#423 - 2016-04-04 11:23:39 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Mr Mieyli wrote:
Lol = tears

get mental help friend


Lol

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#424 - 2016-04-04 11:37:39 UTC
Gregor Regulus
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#425 - 2016-04-04 11:39:14 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Dark Lord Trump wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Except this isn't true, since all it takes is flying in and triggering timers forcing the defender to respond until the windows get wide enough that they can't stop them all.

Lucas Kell wrote:
stop them all



Ah, there's your problem. You've overextended and can't defend all your space, so it gets taken from you.

I think it’s a bit more complicated than that. Even if they consolidated to a single null constellation I doubt they’d be able to defend against the current opposition.


There will be no place for them to hide. Plans are already being made about who will live in deklein, fade, branch etc. Trust me there is tons of interest for occupying the north. After we take all their space we will camp their low sec staging every day until their alliance shrinks to a level that we find satisfactory.

The goons will only exist as a form that we allow.
Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#426 - 2016-04-04 11:40:48 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
broadcast for reps


I'm not the one speaking untruths and "laughing" at the people coming to kick me out of my home.

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#427 - 2016-04-04 11:43:29 UTC
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#428 - 2016-04-04 11:48:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Aiwha
Lucas Kell wrote:
Aiwha wrote:
Its plenty risky. Its also risky to own space.
HAHAHAHA. So it's plenty risky to stick an entosis link on a disposable ship and fire it at a structure? Stop being terrible. Seriously guy, if you can't see the clear difference in what people have to put on the line between attackers and defenders it's because you don't want to. Anyone even remotely objective can see where the problem lies, and the funny part is that one day you'll probably try to hold sov and you'll be right back here with the exact same problems.

What's becoming clear to most people now is that it's pretty much the best idea to live in lowsec or npc nullsec bordering sov space and use sov casually rather than actually owning it and living directly in it. The whole concept of ownership and belonging has been chucked. This is why the current war has no real endgame. Even if we lose the majority of our space there's nothing stopping us doing exactly what MBC are doing then nobody is owning it, and what we end up with is two massive coalitions fighting each other perpetually and we've back to blob vs blob.



An entosis T1 frigate is an easy as **** target. Its locked down to 4k/s speed and cannot warp for five minutes. A single Tanaris can clear out half a dozen entosis ships in 5 minutes. The reason you guys are being run ragged is because you own WAY too much space and don't have enough pvpers to defend it properly. Less space, not **** alliance, more pvpers. Pick one.







March rabbit wrote:
Aiwha wrote:
If you love the content so much, why are you whining about having to defend your space?

Man, you are making Lucas (and other goon members in this thread) look really better than you. Is that really what are you trying to achieve? Even me (hater for goons for YEARS and person who left 2 good alliances just because they joined goon side) find myself agreeing with their points.



Concern troll harder.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#429 - 2016-04-04 12:11:20 UTC
Dark Lord Trump wrote:
Ah, there's your problem. You've overextended and can't defend all your space, so it gets taken from you.
This has been said and debunked multiple times. Please go back and reread the thread and let me know once done. Ta.

Zappity wrote:
I think it’s a bit more complicated than that. Even if they consolidated to a single null constellation I doubt they’d be able to defend against the current opposition.
Pretty much this.. However if we consolidate to an NPC system then this does not occur. Why? Because the defenders have everything on the table so not showing up is a loss, while the attackers have nothing on the table so not showing up is still a win since it time wastes for the defenders.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#430 - 2016-04-04 12:12:05 UTC
Mr Mieyli wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
Mr Mieyli wrote:
Lol = tears
get mental help friend
Lol
Lol = tears

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#431 - 2016-04-04 12:14:49 UTC
Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
#432 - 2016-04-04 12:17:31 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Making sov organic somehow is a nice thought, but you wouldn't get the same satisfaction as long as players could contest sov ownership in forum threads with "yuh huh, nuh uh"

Maybe you should try undocking then?

but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#433 - 2016-04-04 12:18:44 UTC
Aiwha wrote:
An entosis T1 frigate is an easy as **** target. Its locked down to 4k/s speed and cannot warp for five minutes. A single Tanaris can clear out half a dozen entosis ships in 5 minutes. The reason you guys are being run ragged is because you own WAY too much space and don't have enough pvpers to defend it properly. Less space, not **** alliance, more pvpers. Pick one.
Except that's clearly not the case. Under the current sov system it really doesn't matter how many PvPers you've got or now much you try to use your system, if someone wants you out they will achieve that because every time they attack they weaken your space and it costs them basically nothing while you have no ability to retaliate because you're dealing with structure mining and ADMs constantly. This is why trying to actually live out of sov while at war is suicide - which you guys clearly know hence most of BoB abandoning sov to go to war. Sometimes I wonder if you guys are starting to believe your own propaganda.

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#434 - 2016-04-04 12:19:12 UTC
Eli Apol wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
Making sov organic somehow is a nice thought, but you wouldn't get the same satisfaction as long as players could contest sov ownership in forum threads with "yuh huh, nuh uh"

Maybe you should try undocking then?

I take it you only checked Rain6637's killboard.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#435 - 2016-04-04 12:19:58 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Lucas I don't think you understand how = works
I figured I must have it wrong so I deferred to his expertise.

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#436 - 2016-04-04 12:23:22 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Sometimes I wonder if you guys are starting to believe your own propaganda.

Sometimes? Starting?

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Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
#437 - 2016-04-04 12:31:45 UTC
I love the little SMA Goonie double act you two have going on. I hope it's reflective of your whole alliances. It's like watching a forum reacharound.

but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#438 - 2016-04-04 12:35:42 UTC
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#439 - 2016-04-04 12:44:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Aiwha
Lucas Kell wrote:
Aiwha wrote:
An entosis T1 frigate is an easy as **** target. Its locked down to 4k/s speed and cannot warp for five minutes. A single Tanaris can clear out half a dozen entosis ships in 5 minutes. The reason you guys are being run ragged is because you own WAY too much space and don't have enough pvpers to defend it properly. Less space, not **** alliance, more pvpers. Pick one.
Except that's clearly not the case. Under the current sov system it really doesn't matter how many PvPers you've got or now much you try to use your system, if someone wants you out they will achieve that because every time they attack they weaken your space and it costs them basically nothing while you have no ability to retaliate because you're dealing with structure mining and ADMs constantly. This is why trying to actually live out of sov while at war is suicide - which you guys clearly know hence most of BoB abandoning sov to go to war. Sometimes I wonder if you guys are starting to believe your own propaganda.




Its literally the case. Saying "that's not the case" doesn't suddenly make it not true that any interceptor can catch a T1 frigate, and most of them can pretty easily whelp an entosis fit one. Hell, you don't even need to catch it, a beam slicer can just orbit it at 20k and melt it without even bothering for tackle.





We've invested time and money into making your lives miserable. Its working. Blame your leaders for making so many enemies.

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#440 - 2016-04-04 12:52:37 UTC