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Talladar censoring Youtube comments amid accusations of impropriety

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Tomika
Doomheim
#21 - 2016-04-02 09:44:33 UTC
Man has Youtube comment deleted.
Is butthurt.

Fascinating.
Nalia White
Tencus
#22 - 2016-04-02 09:47:57 UTC
Rulke Reynolds wrote:
I find it rather strange that people - Americans in particular ironically - often attack freedom of speech as though its an entitlement or "right" (enshrined in the constitution it is yes but that point is moot here). Or that the internet isn't a "democracy" as though that means something.

Its actually got nothing to do with ones "rights", "privileges", "entitlements" or even "democracy".

What it DOES have to do with is how effective an individual's or group's decision making is. One cannot make effective decisions if he/she is lacking information obtained through reasoned and yes, often heated discussion. This means we have to be big boys and girls and not get so emotionally reactive when someone challenges you on an issue or says something you don't agree with or like or says something you think is mean about your video. If you shut down the discourse right then and there because you deem it "offensive" or "wrong", you are obstructing the flow of information and actually doing yourself a great disservice.

So go ahead, shut down discussion, debate and argument that you don't like but you will never get anywhere in solving problems and will become stuck and left behind with your narrow minded opinions and objections, projecting your fear of what an opponent is saying onto them when they are attempting nothing of the sort. For example "I think all firearms should be stored in an approved gun safe" becomes in your crazy little head "HE WANTS TO BAN ALL GUNS!".

Allow people to challenge you and respond to them with your own reasoned arguments in good faith on the other hand and you will find that your positions are less fixed, you are more open minded and have MUCH more success at understanding the nature of issues and problems that come up in every sphere of life.

Talladar in this instance is to all intents and purposes, a journalist describing his view of events and issues of his choosing. Do not expect to do that without someone disagreeing or challenging you at some point.

You dont get to shout out your views and opinions then effectively run screaming off the podium with your hands over your ears yelling "LA LA LA LA LA". Grow a pair and man up.

After some searching i found that CCP does not pay people to make videos to my knowledge, they do however run competitions with substantial prizes for such videos. A long bow to draw for sure, still an interesting point though.


you asked him if he was on payroll on ccp because he said something positive about the game he likes...

i suggest beeing a "big boy" yourself first. that question is not for a "heated" discussion. This question is just to antagonize and trying to push someones buttons in my oppinion. I would also have ignored you from that point on.

You might have had good intensions but think before you write next time :)

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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2016-04-02 09:57:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Tipa Riot
Always fascinating those discussions ... somebody states a fact, that newbies can participate from day one, somebody else gets mad about, because he himself had a bad "EvE childhood" expierience ...

BTW, was in the UQ9/VFK fleet yesterday (Tipa is my one and only skilled char!), and there were a lot of genuine newbies ... although as a expierienced player the outcome was rather disappointing, it was a great community event and learning opportunity in a chill environment.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
Brave Collective
#24 - 2016-04-02 09:58:42 UTC
Rulke Reynolds wrote:
I said that his comment at the end of the video that "new players can get into this action quickly" is misleading as the content depicted in his clip is top tier game play performed by rather exclusive alliances. He countered by saying that he was the leader of pandemic horde and linked the kill boards of various new players within his corp to show that they were indeed getting "into the action" as it were. Along with saying I was stupid.



He was right, seeya.


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Dani Gallar
Doomheim
#25 - 2016-04-02 10:17:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Dani Gallar
This question which is is as old as EVE itself can´t be answered because it's all a matter of opinion. My personal opinion is that Talladar is right in that newbie players can get into the action if they are willing to commit. I do however understand and respect that other people such as the OP himself have different opinions and see no need to prove them wrong.

I also think that Talladar have every right to consor his Youtube channel and quite frankly I think he was right in doing so since the OP made a claim without any kind of substantial proof. This sounds like classic baiting from the OP:s part in order to get an angry response and then being able to brag about that angry response on a official EVE forum.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Duckzer Mining Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
#26 - 2016-04-02 10:36:46 UTC
Yet the reality is that all those OMG moments are exceptions and not the norm, in Eve and in RL. People need to realize this in a game just as much as in RL yet the same aspiration and hope and "I will be the one!!" maintains itself both in game and in RL.



That being said the OP was kinda whining even writing this post yet points are made on both sides that are valid. The truth is somewhere inbetween as usual.Cool

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#27 - 2016-04-02 10:47:14 UTC
https://xkcd.com/481/

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#28 - 2016-04-02 10:48:18 UTC
I think it's fairly obvious at this point that the OP has accepted money or rewards from Chris Roberts to try and discredit EVE

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Gimme Sake
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2016-04-02 11:05:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Gimme Sake
Unlike other "triple A" games that use CGI to induce preorder hysteria, basicaly selling an unexisting product, Eve offers a 14 days free trial in which you can form an idea on wether you like the game or not and on how steep the learning curve is.

Besides, there are plenty of Eve freelance streamers on youtube and twitch, Talladar is only one of them.

Enough said.

"Never not blob!" ~ Plato

Tisiphone Dira
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2016-04-02 11:06:47 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
I think it's fairly obvious at this point that the OP has accepted money or rewards from Chris Roberts to try and discredit EVE


Plausible, as he sure as hell hasn't been putting that money towards releasing a game on time.

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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#31 - 2016-04-02 11:37:08 UTC
You're acting as if freedom of speech is a guaranteed right on someone's YouTube page.









Hint: it's not

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Zappity
Exit-Strategy
Unchained Alliance
#32 - 2016-04-02 11:51:37 UTC
Earlier today there was a Horde fleet which went out to win some timers in Pure Blind. We failed because we were late (and really bad) but there were a ton of players only a few days old on the fleet.

Many got on their first killmail on that fleet. Even better, we were subject to an abortive bomb run on the way home and the FC almost wet himself. It was hilarious.

It's probably similar in Karmafleet. You can get into the middle of things pretty fast if you choose to, OP.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Hawke Frost
#33 - 2016-04-02 11:59:16 UTC
Well, this all back fired in a way the OP didn't anticipate Big smile
Max Fubarticus
K Diamond Holding LTD.
Bullets Bombs and Blondes
#34 - 2016-04-02 14:14:15 UTC
Hawke Frost wrote:
Well, this all back fired in a way the OP didn't anticipate Big smile


There is another aspect to this "conversation" that the OP and others posting might consider.

These "Great wars" that have shaped much of Eve online as we experience it today have always used different forms of propaganda to influence outcomes. I doubt very much that CCP engages in back channel communications with select players to influence outcomes or boost sub rates. It would be counter productive. The amount of opinion pieces and their conflicting views on this latest "Great war" is substantial to say the very least. Choose your viewpoint and I am quite sure you will find someone who caters to your particular flavor. Talladar is no different.

Talladar can do or say what ever he thinks is appropriate on his YT page (within YT terms of service), to include censoring comments or conversations. With that said. Would I have done the same? No.
I am sure both the OP and Talladar have their own perspectives when it comes to new player involvement in these game changing events. My suggestion to the OP is to pay less attention to the rhetoric that permeates the social media outlets and its actual or perceived meanings and just get involved.
We all know that some corps/alliances are more or less inclusive of the new player base. No amount of finger pointing, fear mongering, or trail baiting is going to change that. There is no single player or entity in this game who is so powerful that they influence ALL outcomes.
Log in, undock, and become involved. Don't ask permission to become involved in this war. Insert yourself into it. Who knows... you might be the player that makes the Hail Mary shot and changes Eve history.Big smile

Max

Civil discourse is uniquely human. After all, when is the last time a pride of lions and a herd of water buffalo negotiated SOV over a watering hole? Never. Someone either gets their ass kicked or eaten. At the end of the day someone holds SOV.

Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#35 - 2016-04-02 16:11:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Lykouleon
Rulke Reynolds wrote:
I find it rather strange that people - Americans in particular ironically - often attack freedom of speech as though its an entitlement or "right" (enshrined in the constitution it is yes but that point is moot here).

Freedom of Speech as enshrined in the Constitution of the United States is a right reserved between the governed and the State, not between one individual and another. People with a really bad understanding of the Constitution take it the n'th degree when they try (badly) to claim that freedom of speech means freedom to say whatever, whenever, to whomever.

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword

Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#36 - 2016-04-02 16:29:05 UTC
Jacques d'Orleans wrote:
People like the OP are the reason why I use the "No Youtube comments 0.2.4.1" and avoid all the dreck whos posted in the YT Comments.
Enjoy your YT Videos without the smell of butthurt and a daily salt and tears overload.
Simple, easy, win win.
You can do it too!


Or you just do it right and block both JavaScript and cookies.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.

Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
#37 - 2016-04-02 16:29:26 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
This thread on Reddit would suggest Talladar's view can be correct:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4cyq7j/i_have_been_playing_eve_for_3_days_and_i_took/

But if you have an issue with him using the features that YouTube allows, then go complain to YouTube. Crying about your butthurtness here isn't going to draw any sympathy.


Fake noob spotted. And not even a good one. vºv

It is very easy to forget how is this game when you start for the first time. Specially when you don't have any contact with real noobs.Thus the average fake noob report looks like someone saying "Then the pilot lost consciouness but a cool guy was on the radio and I landed that Diamond DA42 without any previous flight experience, and it was a bit scary but oh my what insane fun!".

Yeah... Roll



not everbody is like you, some people do have the balls to do what he did.

Just Add Water

Conrad Makbure
Trident Expedition
#38 - 2016-04-02 16:45:46 UTC
Rulke Reynolds wrote:
I find it rather strange that people - Americans in particular ironically - often attack freedom of speech as though its an entitlement or "right" (enshrined in the constitution it is yes but that point is moot here). Or that the internet isn't a "democracy" as though that means something.




American liberals and we can include some american feminists as being guilty of attacking freedom on a daily basis to protect their own narrow point of view to the degree of "that's too offensive". It does happen, but that's not all americans.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#39 - 2016-04-02 17:14:55 UTC
Conrad Makbure wrote:
Rulke Reynolds wrote:
I find it rather strange that people - Americans in particular ironically - often attack freedom of speech as though its an entitlement or "right" (enshrined in the constitution it is yes but that point is moot here). Or that the internet isn't a "democracy" as though that means something.




American liberals and we can include some american feminists as being guilty of attacking freedom on a daily basis to protect their own narrow point of view to the degree of "that's too offensive". It does happen, but that's not all americans.



Keep the RL politics out of this hey?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#40 - 2016-04-02 17:22:30 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Conrad Makbure wrote:
Rulke Reynolds wrote:
I find it rather strange that people - Americans in particular ironically - often attack freedom of speech as though its an entitlement or "right" (enshrined in the constitution it is yes but that point is moot here). Or that the internet isn't a "democracy" as though that means something.




American liberals and we can include some american feminists as being guilty of attacking freedom on a daily basis to protect their own narrow point of view to the degree of "that's too offensive". It does happen, but that's not all americans.



Keep the RL politics out of this hey?

It can't really be called politics when you have a corporate zombie and a washed up reality show host getting set to run for supreme leader of a failed empire.

Mr Epeen Cool
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