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Talladar censoring Youtube comments amid accusations of impropriety

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Rulke Reynolds
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-04-01 23:30:48 UTC
After watching the clip titled EVE Online: What Is The Northern War (aka World War Bee)? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aJz4n21gD8 I became engaged in a discussion with Taladar in the comments section of his video.

I said that his comment at the end of the video that "new players can get into this action quickly" is misleading as the content depicted in his clip is top tier game play performed by rather exclusive alliances. He countered by saying that he was the leader of pandemic horde and linked the kill boards of various new players within his corp to show that they were indeed getting "into the action" as it were. Along with saying I was stupid.

I replied again, saying that the content that he gave examples of was low tier small gang roams which are often "friendly" fights organised by opposing sides before hand and had no impact on the actual "for reals" major engagements of the current war between the Imperium and MBC.

I then went on to describe more accurately what EVE is actually like for new players, how hard it is to get into a serious PVP corporation, how long it takes to accumulate the SP to fly doctrine ships and how steep the learning curve is for PVP in this game.

I gave the following links as more representative examples of EVE

-Average corp application for a serious PVP corp
http://snuff-eve.com/forums/showthread.php?2097-snufd-good-friday-REJECTED

-Interview with a casual EVE online player
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TE0RHgc4LMU

I added that showing the life of an elite fighter pilot or A-List Actor is NOT representative of the majority of military employees or actors respectively. Showing elitist conflict between extremely exclusive alliances in EVE online and saying "You can be a part of this really quickly!" is misleading as well.

I then asked if he was being paid by CCP to disseminate misleading information to increase EVE subbed players.

He replied by starting with "This is some asinine (stupid) ****" and a long winded straw man argument of how i was whining about the game mechanics and wanted free handouts. Shortly after this he deleted all of his subsequent comments and my replies to his comments leaving only my rather shallow original comment. I tried reposting the following comment but he keeps deleting it.

[Showing the life of an elite fighter pilot or A-List Actor is NOT representative of the majority of military employees or actors respectively. Showing elitist conflict between extremely exclusive alliances in EVE online and saying "You can be a part of this!" is misleading as well

Check out these links for a more accurate picture of what EVE is like.
-Interview of a casual EVE player
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TE0RHgc4LMU

-Average serious PVP corp application process
http://snuff-eve.com/forums/showthread.php?2097-snufd-good-friday-REJECTED

Are you deleting my comments because my asking if you are being paid by CCP to disseminate misleading information is a little too close to the truth?

You also deleted all of your own replies to my comments... did you decide that they were too embarrassing and misleading?]


In one of my deleted comments I stated that I am more or less happy with EVE the way it is, in fact I'd like it to be more unforgiving and pvp focused (I hate local). I just don't like it when I see people obviously trying to increase EVE's customer base by misrepresenting the game. The above interview of a casual player I linked I think is more representative of a new EVE players experience. I also don't think this is necessarily a negative picture of EVE either.

Advertise EVE for what it is, don't mislead people into subscribing to a game that doesn't exist.

Very poor form by someone who claims to be a leadership figure within the EVE community.

Censorship never works
Annemariela Antonela
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2016-04-01 23:37:30 UTC
I can't decide if this qualifies as Sealioning. Probably.

Sealioning by proxy? Third-party narrative Sealioning?

Post-structuralist Sealioning!

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Rulke Reynolds
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-04-01 23:43:20 UTC
I wouldnt have given two ***** if he hadnt started deleting comments. No sea lioning intended, just dont like to see people being mislead - be it intentionally or unintentionally. Which of those it is here i'm not sure as all he did was call me stupid, straw man me, and censor me.

Conduct unbecoming of someone claiming a leadership position within the EVE community
Paranoid Loyd
#4 - 2016-04-01 23:47:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Rulke Reynolds wrote:
I wouldnt have given two ***** if he hadnt started deleting comments. No sea lioning intended, just dont like to see people being mislead - be it intentionally or unintentionally. Which of those it is here i'm not sure as all he did was call me stupid, straw man me, and censor me.

Conduct unbecoming of someone claiming a leadership position within the EVE community

The way you see Eve and the way he sees it is different, that's all, he's not misleading anyone based on how he sees the game, you have a completely different POV. There is truth in both of what you said, however I tend to agree more with what he said. However, for it to be like he said, one has to take some initiative, something most people are not capable of which leads them to the opinions you have. It's his page, he has the right to moderate it as he sees fit.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
#5 - 2016-04-01 23:50:21 UTC
It's his own YouTube channel and you sound like a bit of a knob...don't blame him.

but what would I know, I'm just a salvager

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#6 - 2016-04-01 23:53:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
I see the OP has some thoughtful posts but let's be honest here....

Quote:
I then asked if he was being paid by CCP to disseminate misleading information to increase EVE subbed players.



If I had a dollar for every time, regardless of the topic, I saw someone or myself (and at times did it myself) threw an accusation of paying/being paid by some entity to make something look like something else that it's not through outrights or at the least obfuscation of the truth, I could buy all the Hakarl in Iceland. (Why would I want to, right?)

So I would expect that things soured when you said that. Your points and the counterpoints regarding the opportunities of new players and their potential involvement in the war could have been debated on the normal debate vector, but the assertion of being on some payroll to deceive sent the conversation in a direction that was unproductive.

While I would not have started censoring posts, simply not replying to such a thing would have been in order.

The worst part of this is a debatable point about NPE and the involvement of new players this "great war" is missed. I don't disagree with some of your points.

In fact, the difficulty of new players to break into nullsec PVP, in the ways of olde, is an old problem and it was one of the reasons why this war is happening.

Which alliance was it that was always noob friendly and even offered them free ships? Yes, the (then named) CFC. While the other alliances and corps required "stats or GTFO", it was goons who were open to noobs and their ranks swelled.

So you get what we have here today.

Does the problem persist? I don't know. SP injection makes it a moot point, but raw experience is still king. "Stats or GTFO" may become even more of a problem.

Back around 2008-2010 the getting into a corp thing (and out of highsec) was a huge problem for many players who wanted to. Look at where we are now. And how many became highsec deccer mercs or gankers too?

But if this problem is not addressed, or perhaps even taken advantage of, and we go back to the days of noobs being locked up in highsec grinding away for SP (you still need to pay for those injectors) and ISK "for 2 years" and then getting bored out of the game, then Imperium or some offshoot of it will start taking advantage of that and we'll be back to this square again someday.

The Allies might want to consider opening up some noob wings or something like that and let the new players and even those who are not well versed but are returning for this war in before the goons do. This is not a "war for stats" it's a war for space, and so what if you use up and enemy's ammo giving them more cannon fodder to shoot at? I don't think new players would mind being cannon fodder - heck they might even enjoy it unlike bittervets like myself who will complain about how much ISK the ship cost or get distracted by the "I'm not making ISK" cancer.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Rulke Reynolds
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2016-04-02 00:03:38 UTC
Maybe you are right about my asking about him accepting money from CCP.

I did pose it as a question however and would have accepted a simple denial and left it at that.

The only reason i asked was something about CCP paying people to make EVE videos tugged at the memory. If indeed that is the case here, it does rather create an incentive for him to "sensationalise" the EVE experience.

Which is concerning as well.
Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#8 - 2016-04-02 01:04:08 UTC
I mean, it's not like CCP just highlighted a 3-day newbie's post on Reddit about his experience being in these ~top tier~ fights.

Nope.

~Top tier~ right here boys, only the best may apply and fly in these exclusive events.

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword

Neuntausend
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2016-04-02 01:20:18 UTC
I heard Karmafleet is recruiting handpicked battlehardened veterans.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#10 - 2016-04-02 01:48:25 UTC
The internet is not a democracy and YouTube videos remain the property of the author/uploader to do with as they wish concerning comments. Censoring, deleting or even disallowing any at all. It's his decision whether to erase your comments just as it would be yours if you got off your lazy ass and became an uploader instead of a YT critic.

Whining about it just makes you look like an entitled, self important ****.

Mr Epeen Cool
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#11 - 2016-04-02 01:59:32 UTC
This thread on Reddit would suggest Talladar's view can be correct:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4cyq7j/i_have_been_playing_eve_for_3_days_and_i_took/

But if you have an issue with him using the features that YouTube allows, then go complain to YouTube. Crying about your butthurtness here isn't going to draw any sympathy.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Pix Severus
Empty You
#12 - 2016-04-02 02:04:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Pix Severus
There isn't some conspiracy by CCP to lure new players into the game by paying off content creators to lie about EVE for them.

People enjoy EVE and want to see it become popular, and may gloss-over some of the more negative aspects of the game. That's all.

Occam's Razor, my friend.

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Jacques d'Orleans
#13 - 2016-04-02 02:27:42 UTC
People like the OP are the reason why I use the "No Youtube comments 0.2.4.1" and avoid all the dreck whos posted in the YT Comments.
Enjoy your YT Videos without the smell of butthurt and a daily salt and tears overload.
Simple, easy, win win.
You can do it too!

pushdogg
relocation LLC.
#14 - 2016-04-02 06:07:36 UTC
The comments on the application link to snuff, just hilarious. Not that any would take me, but the link is the exact reason I would never be a part of something like that.

If I wanted another job, I would get one that pays RL currency. My short time in lawn provided my feelings for large alliances, when it feels like work......it is.
Rulke Reynolds
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2016-04-02 06:13:14 UTC
I find it rather strange that people - Americans in particular ironically - often attack freedom of speech as though its an entitlement or "right" (enshrined in the constitution it is yes but that point is moot here). Or that the internet isn't a "democracy" as though that means something.

Its actually got nothing to do with ones "rights", "privileges", "entitlements" or even "democracy".

What it DOES have to do with is how effective an individual's or group's decision making is. One cannot make effective decisions if he/she is lacking information obtained through reasoned and yes, often heated discussion. This means we have to be big boys and girls and not get so emotionally reactive when someone challenges you on an issue or says something you don't agree with or like or says something you think is mean about your video. If you shut down the discourse right then and there because you deem it "offensive" or "wrong", you are obstructing the flow of information and actually doing yourself a great disservice.

So go ahead, shut down discussion, debate and argument that you don't like but you will never get anywhere in solving problems and will become stuck and left behind with your narrow minded opinions and objections, projecting your fear of what an opponent is saying onto them when they are attempting nothing of the sort. For example "I think all firearms should be stored in an approved gun safe" becomes in your crazy little head "HE WANTS TO BAN ALL GUNS!".

Allow people to challenge you and respond to them with your own reasoned arguments in good faith on the other hand and you will find that your positions are less fixed, you are more open minded and have MUCH more success at understanding the nature of issues and problems that come up in every sphere of life.

Talladar in this instance is to all intents and purposes, a journalist describing his view of events and issues of his choosing. Do not expect to do that without someone disagreeing or challenging you at some point.

You dont get to shout out your views and opinions then effectively run screaming off the podium with your hands over your ears yelling "LA LA LA LA LA". Grow a pair and man up.

After some searching i found that CCP does not pay people to make videos to my knowledge, they do however run competitions with substantial prizes for such videos. A long bow to draw for sure, still an interesting point though.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#16 - 2016-04-02 07:05:34 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
This thread on Reddit would suggest Talladar's view can be correct:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4cyq7j/i_have_been_playing_eve_for_3_days_and_i_took/

But if you have an issue with him using the features that YouTube allows, then go complain to YouTube. Crying about your butthurtness here isn't going to draw any sympathy.


Fake noob spotted. And not even a good one. vºv

It is very easy to forget how is this game when you start for the first time. Specially when you don't have any contact with real noobs.Thus the average fake noob report looks like someone saying "Then the pilot lost consciouness but a cool guy was on the radio and I landed that Diamond DA42 without any previous flight experience, and it was a bit scary but oh my what insane fun!".

Yeah... Roll
Jacques d'Orleans
#17 - 2016-04-02 07:48:19 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
This thread on Reddit would suggest Talladar's view can be correct:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4cyq7j/i_have_been_playing_eve_for_3_days_and_i_took/

But if you have an issue with him using the features that YouTube allows, then go complain to YouTube. Crying about your butthurtness here isn't going to draw any sympathy.


Fake noob spotted. And not even a good one. vºv

It is very easy to forget how is this game when you start for the first time. Specially when you don't have any contact with real noobs.Thus the average fake noob report looks like someone saying "Then the pilot lost consciouness but a cool guy was on the radio and I landed that Diamond DA42 without any previous flight experience, and it was a bit scary but oh my what insane fun!".

Yeah... Roll


I'm getting your valid point but your comparison with the pilot is way off, in aviation such events are called a "Talk down landing" and such events with people landing a plane without or with only minimal flight experience happened quite a few times in the past years.

Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#18 - 2016-04-02 08:27:07 UTC
Rulke Reynolds wrote:
You dont get to shout out your views and opinions then effectively run screaming off the podium with your hands over your ears yelling "LA LA LA LA LA". Grow a pair and man up.

The fact you put this paragraph in BOLD is pretty much the definition of irony.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#19 - 2016-04-02 08:55:19 UTC
Rulke Reynolds wrote:
...You dont get to shout out your views and opinions then effectively run screaming off the podium with your hands over your ears yelling "LA LA LA LA LA". Grow a pair and man up.

....

Clearly you didn't think you are included in that rant.

You should be, but your crying is entertaining.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Cypherous
Liberty Rogues
Aprilon Dynasty
#20 - 2016-04-02 09:17:12 UTC
i even logged off of my alt to post this :P

I am, and always have strongly agreed with the thought that anyone, regardless of age or skill can contribute in a fight, just look at when goons originally started, mostly just flying swarms of frigs and cruisers in to battles, at the end of the day a 1 day old nublet in a rifter with a warp scrambler can help turn the tide of a massive battle, sure i'm not going to say a 1 day old character can fit high end combat fits but i CAN contribute to any fight in EVE even if its only in a tiny way, i doubt he says a 1 day old character can single handedly win the fight but he is NOT wrong when he says anyone can join in and fight
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