Science & Industry

You sir, are a model of what every miner should be. Instead of just bitching and moaning about this, you've gone and worked on a counter to being ganked. Seriously, good work.

This is all we really want, people to engage brain when playing.

BTW, pithi and gisti small booster macks are really really hard to kill. I encourage these types of fittings.

Medium extender fittings go down just as easy as any other ones. We killed prolly 15 just like this yesterday.

The increased performance of deadspace and faction gear can't possibly be overstated, and the extra losses you takeattempting to destroy such ships will significantly undermine your profit margins. Why, I bet if all miners fit their ships with these, you'd have to start mining rocks for your PvP ships. I'll shed a tear for the hardships you could be facing....

People Really should take the time to educate themselves on their Options!

Why? Why must we be social? This is a sand box game, that does not make it social necessarily. Just because you feel people shoukd play one way, does not make it so or valid.

Other than your desires, i see no reason concord should be removed from .5 sec systems. The system is set such that in .5 concord's response is slow, but still present.

As for "caps online", where did the nasty caps touch you? I played in low sec ample times, no caps. It's all a matter of where you play.

Further more, what makes your suggestion more optimal than say, no caps allowed in .4 sec. Miners could then try to mine done of the rarer ore in low sec, gaining an added profit without as much fear? Still, I think the whole idea of no concord in .5 is just foolish, and is simply a lazy person trying to make kills easier for themselves. If you want social and kills, join a nul sec alliance. It's not all "caps online" as you fear.

I always insure my mack just in case, and when I did the payout was about 85% at the time, has changed again. But I do say keep up the good work, and try convo the ships, bots will always auto reject.

Fair 'nuff

TBH probably not, lock times for most gank ships are less than 3 seconds so unless youve got other ships remote sensor boosting the thrasher you probably wont lock them before they can open fire. However it depends on the fit the ganker is using and what the ship is so give it a go and see.

Read before you post.

Increasing demand for minerals. Not reducing supply. The demand comes from the loss of the mining ships AND the gank ships, all of which are bought again off the market.
It's like how hulkageddon won't ever stop people mining totally. It causes a huge demand around the event, and the lower supply pushes prices even further, luring people out to the belts.

You fail economics and reading comprehension forever.

Are you suggesting my hidden agenda is to drive up mineral prices buy destroying lots of ships (macks + dessies) which require minerals to be rebuilt?

Wouldn't the more logical assumption be that I'm trying to drive up the isotope prices?

I think you wrote minerals the first time, when you meant isotopes, and are now trying to not look foolish.

How's that workin out?

1) Tanking a mack is pointless. Putting more than a T1 extender is overkill for hi sec and will never save it from any decent gank.

2) Not putting expanders is also pointless since the huge loss in cargo space (unless in a gang) will more than overcome the paltry increase in tank. Ice blocks are big.

3) Stats on below 20 minutes are useless, some ships fill up in 18 minutes iirc. You can't imagine a regular human being torturing himself staring at a screen for a whole mining cycle. Most alt tab to the mining ship once they hear the lasers noise stop or put a stopwatch.

4) The "stay aligned" is also a dumb request. It might be worthwhile for mining roids since cycles are short, roids need to be changed often. But for ice mining you have 15 mins+ cycles and in 15 mins a ship will move 20-30 km. Unlike roids, if you stop ice miners you lose the whole block => several minutes so you must stay in range of the ice roid and not interrupt the lasers.

Therefore you either stand still (99% do this) or circle around ice (but then aligmnent is impossible, only happens once per turn).

5) Even if you had 10 BCs and battleships protecting you "BECAUSE EVE IS SOCIAL!" and gankers were -10, a cloaky can get close, gankers warp to him, lock and kill the mack before the gankers suffer any tangible loss.


Bottom line is: don't mine in systems close to low sec, check map for ship kills in last 24 hours, fit the ship CHEAPLY (fitting some deadspace mod makes you just a gank magnet) and plan to lose it sooner or later. It's a running cost, like for gankers losing their ships is a running cost.

Lots of really really bad information here I would like to respond to. But the forum ate my well thought out and lengthy post and I can't be arsed to retype anything but the last line.


As this is the first time you've posted in one of my threads, I never understood why people despised you posting in their threads. Now I do.