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L4 Mission boat, Maxed drones, hybrids, and missile skills

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Guess My Height
Doomheim
#1 - 2016-03-31 05:41:22 UTC
I've been flying my Proteus around for years, then left EVE for a long time. Now I'm back. I always loved my Proteus, could kite an entire battleship pocket. blah, blah, blah and loved how I could swap out drones and use em hard.

Well I come back to EVE to see the AI is now too smart for my lazy micromanagement. Well like I said I am at least LVL 4 in all drone specialties, hybrid specialties and missile specialties. Also maxed out with Gallente and Caldari BS, well LVL 4 on them. Looking for suggestions for a solid investment. I've been farting around with a standard Raven to try it out. Way less management than the Proteus, but really not much more DPS and just feels sluggish and well kinda boring. Not looking for a dedicated drone boat , but I wouldn't mind putting those skills to use in the right way.

Now I know there is a range of debates. But for someone in my situation, skill-wise, what would be probably the highest earning mission boat?

Not looking for a marauder, so so sowwy
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#2 - 2016-03-31 06:03:35 UTC
Everything about this screams Rattlesnake. I don't use one, but look through the first couple of pages here and in Missions and Complexes and you'll find a fit or ten.
The Bigpuns
United Standings Improvement Agency
#3 - 2016-03-31 07:47:13 UTC
Yep, second for the rattlesnake, but with your current skills I would also suggest a barghest as a possibilty, or with a bit more training, a vindicator. Neither of those will out perform the rs for regular lvl 4 missions though.
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#4 - 2016-03-31 08:15:17 UTC
[Rattlesnake, L4 LMJD]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
500MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script
Large Micro Jump Drive
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II

Garde II x2
Hobgoblin II x5
Warden II x2
Curator II x2
Bianca Niam
Doomheim
#5 - 2016-03-31 10:07:18 UTC
Be prepared for Rattlesnake nerf just in case, CCP put a heads up last year when they nerfed the Gila and Worm.
Warmonger Simon
Trinity Alpha Zero
#6 - 2016-03-31 10:17:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Warmonger Simon
Bianca Niam wrote:
Be prepared for Rattlesnake nerf just in case, CCP put a heads up last year when they nerfed the Gila and Worm.


Rattlesnake already got a nerf with changes back in 2014 , CCP please no moar! As far as Builds go:

3x DDA's ; 3x BCU's in lows
1x Invuln + 2x mission specific Hardeners in mids
Sensor Booster/TP/Large or X-Large Shield Booster/1x Omni Dir tracking in mid
Optimal Range/Targetting Speed scripts ; Optimal Range/Tracking Scripts in cargo.
1x Drone control range amp ; and launchers of your choice

-Rigs of your choice (i just run purgers II as they've been left on my old rattle since ages ago) ; does fine in all 4's and 1k+ dps with good application.

-Drones i carry Gardes for 10-35km range ; bouncers for 35+ ; gecko for anything closer that is cruiser+ sized ; hobs II for anything below cruiser sized (spider drones/some fast frigs)
Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
#7 - 2016-03-31 12:28:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Eli Apol
Rattlesnake, Vindi, Kronos, Dominix or Golem all spring to mind.

E: forget Golem and Kronos, just noticed you only said BS 4

but what would I know, I'm just a salvager

Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#8 - 2016-03-31 12:58:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Linus Gorp
My Raven was equipped with the following:

HIGH
06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I
01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1
01 x SALVAGER I

MEDIUM
04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS
01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM
01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER

LOW
01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL
01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I
01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I
02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I

DRONES
02 x WARRIOR I DRONES
03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES

UPGRADES
01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I
01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I


Sorry, I had to Lol

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.

Guess My Height
Doomheim
#9 - 2016-03-31 13:14:43 UTC
Ive seen these rapid launchers on the market and have been curius about them. How does their dps compare to cruise missiles?

Also, i too was fancyong a rattlesnake but i my tear is that it is a reskinned domi....which i loath
Warmonger Simon
Trinity Alpha Zero
#10 - 2016-03-31 13:46:25 UTC
Guess My Height wrote:
Ive seen these rapid launchers on the market and have been curius about them. How does their dps compare to cruise missiles?

Also, i too was fancyong a rattlesnake but i my tear is that it is a reskinned domi....which i loath


DPS is fine however factoring in reload times - meh. With decent skills drones will almost alpha cruisers ; almost definatelly alpha frigs in 35+ km range while you cruise missile away at BS size targets.
Guess My Height
Doomheim
#11 - 2016-03-31 23:56:10 UTC
I also have LVL 4 skills for the tengu. Would a tengo be more profitable?
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#12 - 2016-04-01 00:01:45 UTC
Guess My Height wrote:
I also have LVL 4 skills for the tengu. Would a tengo be more profitable?


No. But it would get the job done.
Aaron Raus
Whispering Pines Golf Club
#13 - 2016-04-01 08:56:07 UTC
Guess My Height wrote:
Ive seen these rapid launchers on the market and have been curius about them. How does their dps compare to cruise missiles?

Cruise missiles will do less damage on smaller targets. On the other hand cruise missiles will let you sit at 150 km range and use range tank.

[Rattlesnake, Rattlesnake Cruise range tank]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Gist C-Type Large Shield Booster
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Warden II x2
Gecko x1
Curator II x2
Acolyte II x5

Untill you will find out, how to awoid too much incomming dps by properly poped trigers, you can use the shield / range tank fit

[Rattlesnake, Cruise shield tank ]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Pith C-Type Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II <- match to the mission specific damage type
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script <- switch to tracking speed script to shoot quick targets
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Warden II x2
Gecko x1
Curator II x2 <- mission specific damage type drones.
Acolyte II x2

Same paper DPS, but your missiles will apply much less damage on quick / small targets.

Use eve-survive.org to get an idea, what drones and hardeners to use in what mission.

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#14 - 2016-04-01 18:36:39 UTC
Guess My Height wrote:




4'7"

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#15 - 2016-04-02 14:50:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Donnachadh
Any BS (even the Machariel) is going to feel slow and lazy compared to a T3 so get used to that idea.

Other options I did not see listed here are.
Navy Raven, significantly better in missions than the standard version.
Scorpion Navy Issue is another one that works reasonably well.

Looking over the fits posted there is one thing I would change in many of them.
If you have the skills to use T2 launchers take the extra step and use T2 missiles as well.
The base explosion velocity and explosion radius numbers mostly work in favor of the T2 so you end up with more damage and more damage application than you get with the faction, and they are about one fourth the cost per missile.
Ranges will be shorter with the T2, numbers based on an all skills 5 setting in EvE HQ.
Precision - 74k
Fury - 111k
Faction 148k
To put that all into perspective with the same all skills 5 standard targeting range of the Rattle is just under 94k. So the only T2 that would be really affected are the precision and the desire of those small pesky little frigate and destroyer NPC to get into range for their guns, lasers, missiles really means that even the 74k is a non-issue.
Amanda Chan
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2016-04-03 13:31:42 UTC
While normally I would suggest a Rattlesnake, I've recently injected some gun skills and am toying withthe Navy Domi, which is basically the hybrid gun version of the Rattlesnake. <3 dual weapon system hulls.Bear
Navy Domi: Price Tag: ~790m
Highs:
6x 425mm Railgun II

Med:
1x Gist X-Type LSB
3x Rat specific Pith C-Type Hardener
1x LMJD
1x Tracking Computer II (Optimal)

Lows:
3x Mag Field Stab II
3x Drone Damage Amp II
1x Power Diagnostic System II

Rigs:
Large Drone Control Range Augmentor II
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Specs(Lvl 5):
Lock Range: 87.5km
Drone Control Range: 80 km
Cap Life: 3m27s
361 ehp/s vs Bloodraiders with(2x Pith C-Type EM Ward Field and 1x Pitch C-Type Thermal Dissipation Field) - lowest tank

Gun DPS:
579 DPS w/ Javelin@21+39
496 DPS w/ Antimatter@41+39
413 DPS w/ Uranium@62+39

Drone DPS:
648 DPS w/ Garde II@22.5k+30k
608 DPS w/ Curator II@52.5k+12k
569 DPS w/ Bouncer II@45k+54k
549 DPS w/ Warden II@75k+42k

1226 Max dps with Javelin+Garde IIs without implants.
Warp in, if your swarmed jump out and then use the correct ammo+damage type sentry. I usually don't carry Gardes as anything with a thermal hole also has a Kinetic hole or EM hole.

Yes, this does less paper dps then the Rattlesnake. BUT, you don't have to worry about fury cruise missile application, target painter juggling and the dps is instantly applied.

It does suffer less tank then the Rattlesnake but with LMJD sniping, the tank is more then enough. It also lacks tracking, but again with LMJD sniping rats approach you with 0 transversal which devalues tracking.

It's still a WIP but it's interesting to say the least.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#17 - 2016-04-03 14:18:17 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Guess My Height wrote:




4'7"



I reckon I guessed his height correctly as the OP has biomassed his character...which I suppose was the prize? lolLol

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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