Market Discussions

Over the last few weeks I've not really kept up to speed with peoples opinions on citadels, I have however taken note on the opinions regarding the change to broker fees and how citadel owners can effectively give people 0% broker fees.

I was wondering how many people would be interested in either; A. helping me fund/set up a large citadel in Jita near the current hub (easier to move existing assets from the hub to the new citadel), or B. simply would be interested in having access to such a citadel.

Being unaffiliated with all politics in the game I would not limit access to the station, even against those who would attack the citadel (looking at PFR and the access rights to their 'freeports').

For those wondering who I am/what I've done in the game, here are some of my accomplishments;

* When the phoebe patch came out I took a small group of guys into Etherium reach, where initially we held the good money moons in the constellation connecting to Skarkon (molden heath). At the same time we had to defend against the newly formed phoebe Freeport republic, with much success as the original founder can tell you. Eventually we decided to work alongside PFR as we had mutual 'enemies' at the time, after about a month of working together I left as was being disrespected almost daily by all members of the coalition we formed and was the only one actually trying to keep our coalition together.

* My favourite achievement was taking the station in A-REKV (tenerifis) and holding it for about 26 hours. What makes this such a great achievement was we were only a group of 5 guys against the coalition GCLUB (RIP) ran at the time. During the defence of our foothold GCLUB and friends sieged our deathstar staging pos. Initially they warped 8 supers onto the pos followed by about 20 carriers/dreads and 100 sub caps (mainly ishtars). We ended up killing at least 2 billion isk worth of fighter bombers (including 2 shadow fighter bombers) almost emptying half of the supers of their fighter bombers.

* The biggest achievement I regret having taken a part of was the breaking of IRC in the spire. The backstory to this was ROC. (old time friends) invited the corp I ran to join their alliance and help them make a name for themselves in GEMCO. We were told our focus was to keep pressure on IRC so that they couldn't help their friends triumvirate/solar in their fights in neighbouring regions. First thing I noticed upon arriving was advent of fates complete failure at setting up a pos in IRC space, their pos's would get reinforced daily for us to only have to go back day after day to defend them. Noticing this I took a group of guys into IRC's main system of QRH (the spire) to plant our perfected deathstar (shout out to GCLUB again for being our guinea pig). Cracks started to form in IRC morale due to not being able to break this hostile asset in THEIR space. Once we started seeing less IRC activity our coalition attacks started to pick up once more forcing TRI/SOLAR to have to come to IRC's aid. This was where with diplo contacts ROC. leadership introduced me to we were able to bring in NC. to almost all of the engagements we took part in. About a week after leaving ROC., mainly due to corp members not liking the culture in ROC., the war in the dronelands ended with TRI/SOLAR bending the knee and joining GEMCO.

I am hoping that with enough player support I can add running the new zero broker fee citadel market hub to my list of achievements.

Are you ready for change?

EDITS:

1. Citadel location will now be in perimeter due to anchoring restrictions.
2. Once I've checked that XL's can be anchored in high sec I'll aim to get one of those set up as the hub.
3. Depending on initial support may just end up using small time traders to help stock the hub initially. Others will be free to use the citadel as well but as has been mentioned people might not trust me enough initially to use the hub.

is there anyone that can vouch for your third party services?

XL citadels as far as I'm aware will not be allowed in high sec, from what I've seen so far large citadels will be able to hold up against most small groups. It sounds like you'd need to see the citadel in action before you took the risk of using it as a hub which is exactly why I'm making this post. Even if I don't manage to get the support, I'm hoping that this post/other posts will encourage someone who is more well known such as chribba to undertake the project.

What stops you from just packing up your citadel/revoking rights from everyone else to do anything there?

1. You can not place citadel in Jita. But you are welcomed to place it in Perimeter. One jump closer to Amarr, Dodixie and Hek. Plus it is border to Gallente, so even gallente FW pilots will be able to shop there easely, than in Jita. Which is bad for cal mil on the other hand... Some freighter pilots, hanging for hours on perimeter gate to Jita because Jita is over populated will be tempted to unload their cargo in your citadel as well. But than Jita will not get over populated so often...
2. Put your citadel, start sell there what you produce yourself, get few manufacture players to sell there too. If it will become popular place to buy stuff, people will come there to sell as well, small traders first, IMHO.

The idea of building a new trade hub is not a new one. There are many out there waiting to jump on the opportunity once the patch releases. This raises some questions:

1. How do you propose to profit and repay investors with zero broker fee?

2. How will you defend your citadel? Bear in mind that a competitive trade hub will attract attention, potentially from very large groups. It will need to last longer than 26 hours.

Nothing stops me doing that, people would have to trust me, as time goes on i'm sure people will trust me. Saying that i'm pretty sure there's already a lot of people that trust me enough to seed the citadel.

Name three, please, and log them on too to post in this thread to vouch for your trustworthiness! Nothing can go wrong!

I've not spoken to them about it just yet but will send them mails about it, will try my best to get them to post.

Don't do it! It is a trap!