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Battle at J-GAMP - CVA did not shine

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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#21 - 2016-03-30 06:16:47 UTC
KuroVolt wrote:
this will vary from FC to FC though.


shoot first, question the corpse later.

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Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
#22 - 2016-03-30 09:00:54 UTC
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Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#23 - 2016-03-30 14:58:12 UTC
So, EVE political newbie here with relatively dumb questions...

Why was Providence based CVA playing 'third party' all the way up in Tribute? I mean, isn't that just sticking your nose in where it doesn't belong?

Wouldn't you know that as a NRDS organization (which I actually admire BTW) that everyone else would be Red and basically thus indistinguishable from NBSI at that point?

I'm just a little lost here, I can't imagine too many neutrals running around a combat zone needing the NRDS police to help them, so still unclear on the reported presence of CVA or other NRDS groups...

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flakeys
Doomheim
#24 - 2016-03-30 15:08:14 UTC
Pandora Carrollon wrote:
So, EVE political newbie here with relatively dumb questions...

Why was Providence based CVA playing 'third party' all the way up in Tribute? I mean, isn't that just sticking your nose in where it doesn't belong?

Wouldn't you know that as a NRDS organization (which I actually admire BTW) that everyone else would be Red and basically thus indistinguishable from NBSI at that point?

I'm just a little lost here, I can't imagine too many neutrals running around a combat zone needing the NRDS police to help them, so still unclear on the reported presence of CVA or other NRDS groups...



It was one of the largest fights in eve , everyone wanted to be there so that also includes some players from CVA.Can't they have one day off of RP and NRDS to have some fun?

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Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2016-03-30 15:09:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Neuntausend
As I understand it, CVA has set pretty much every major nullsec Alliance to red. This applies to both Imperium and Moneybadger Alliances. This is not surprising, because most of these Alliances like to roam Providence for fights every once in a while. So, in a sense, almost Everyone involved in this conflict is considered hostile by CVA, and even a relatively peaceful group like them has fun shooting lasers at spaceships from time to time. They aren't trying to be the police or something, they are just having some fun shooting at other peoples spaceships.

Pandora Carrollon wrote:
Wouldn't you know that as a NRDS organization (which I actually admire BTW) that everyone else would be Red and basically thus indistinguishable from NBSI at that point?


Why do you think so few alliances are NRDS, and so many people kind of laugh at the notion of NRDS? NRDS doesn't work in Eve unless you set almost everyone to red. As I said - a neutral in Eve is just a hostile that has not opened fire yet. If you don't set them to red, you'll just have barbaric hordes roaming your space, pillaging and plundering to their heart's content. You need a way to get rid of them before they actually have a chance to inflict major damage, and in order to do that, you'll want to be able to shoot first.
Agamemna Sheridan
Wombo United
#26 - 2016-03-30 15:26:46 UTC
Well NRDS is Provis way to go.

But in a warzone like this, you shoot first and ask questions later.

We came to the north to fight against Goons AND NC/PL. We did not take sides. If some neutrals were crushed in the gears then im sorry.

Just a little tip : Next time you want to see a big fight in NULL, take a interceptor.
Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#27 - 2016-03-30 15:53:31 UTC
flakeys wrote:
It was one of the largest fights in eve , everyone wanted to be there so that also includes some players from CVA.Can't they have one day off of RP and NRDS to have some fun?


I get the lookie-lou thing. I don't get violating your own protocols and shooting neutrals to do it. You either subscribe to a philosophy or don't.

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Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#28 - 2016-03-30 16:07:55 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
As I understand it, CVA has set pretty much every major nullsec Alliance to red. This applies to both Imperium and Moneybadger Alliances. This is not surprising, because most of these Alliances like to roam Providence for fights every once in a while. So, in a sense, almost Everyone involved in this conflict is considered hostile by CVA, and even a relatively peaceful group like them has fun shooting lasers at spaceships from time to time. They aren't trying to be the police or something, they are just having some fun shooting at other peoples spaceships.

Fine, but you could do that anywhere. Your statement about them roaming Providence makes sense in this case though, however, preventing others from joining in would feel more police like to me.
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Why do you think so few alliances are NRDS, and so many people kind of laugh at the notion of NRDS? NRDS doesn't work in Eve unless you set almost everyone to red. As I said - a neutral in Eve is just a hostile that has not opened fire yet. If you don't set them to red, you'll just have barbaric hordes roaming your space, pillaging and plundering to their heart's content. You need a way to get rid of them before they actually have a chance to inflict major damage, and in order to do that, you'll want to be able to shoot first.

While I don't share in your interpretation of neutrals or how they behave, I could point out a group that operates without tagging everyone as 'red'. As much as I don't like the RICO organization CODE, they seem to have found a way to control space in their 'areas' without tagging everyone as red. Sure, if you post up your 'license' they might let you live and go by, or not depending on the mood of the CODE person, it does somewhat work. This is just an example of variant forms of ID and 'policing'.
If CVA is only making 'red' every major alliance that might take on their space, then all the small corps and neutrals would not show up as red and that's actually a lot of players so I also don't entirely see your definition of 'almost everyone'. I don't know if there are stats on that or not. It would be interesting to see what percentage of pilots belong to larger corps and alliances.

None of that solidly explains why they'd go stick their noses into Tribute. If it was a lark, then so be it, that answers my questions well enough.

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KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2016-03-30 17:40:52 UTC
Altessa Post wrote:
What?


The FC makes the calls, if someone got killed that didn't deserve killing, the FC is concidered responsible.

In this case the FC was a member of The Volition Cult. So if you feel you were wrongfully killed, you could try contacting one of their diplo's.

I can't assure you will be reimburst though, as I don't know what policy VOLT has on these kinds of incidents. Provi alliances are given alot of freedom in regards to how they run their alliance, so while we all follow NRDS, policies might differ. This is why I said it varies from FC to FC earlier.

Pandora Carrollon wrote:
None of that solidly explains why they'd go stick their noses into Tribute. If it was a lark, then so be it, that answers my questions well enough.


Same reason alot of people went there. We didn't want to miss the potention "fight of the year".
so yes, we were there for fun, that doesn't mean we go "**** NRDS tonight" we still try to enforce NRDS and we still try to do what is right.

You have to remember that our FC's are only human, they are doing 10 different things at the same time during these fleets and they have to make a split second call on alot of stuff. Mistakes are bound to happen. That is what diplomats are for.

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Circumstantial Evidence
#30 - 2016-03-30 20:28:22 UTC
The NRDS vs NBSI debate will continue until the servers close. NBSI is more popular because its very easy to explain. NRDS adds the interesting exercise of determining the intentions of neutrals, complicated by the situation they are found in. Are they just travelling... or decloaking in the middle of your capital fleet while dreds are in siege? Those are just two extreme examples. The "war zone" situation is another. NRDS groups don't have an authoritative rule book or exceptions list to refer to.
Rascal Antollare
NOVA-CAINE
#31 - 2016-03-31 05:21:16 UTC
All I can say is welcome to the sandbox. If you are a neut that shows up in the middle of a fleet fight, and you are just hanging out getting in the way, you are going to get shot. There is no way to ask you your intentions. Like others have said, in this situation, yo shoot first and ask questions later.
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#32 - 2016-03-31 05:25:31 UTC
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