Warfare & Tactics

Tier 2 is expensive mmk!!

It is not broken, quite opposite. The LP/ISK tides makes regoins switch hands over nad over again, cause army of warp stabbed farmers keep switching sides.

Anyway. There is a very simple solution to your personal situation : earn ISK somewhere else, become independent from FW LP rewards and enjoy FW regardless to the tier. I make ISK in high sec and come into low sec to spend them.

IMHO, FW is fun because it has some meaning of fair battles (PLEXes filter ship classes and if you pay attention to D-Scan you will avoid 2 vs 1 fights), best chances to get into battle quicker (back times in minmatar militia I was used to be attacked in PLEX in Bosboger just 1 or 2 minutes after I get into it) and it is one of the last places, where EvE is really a game with historical background, lore, role play etc...

Fixed that for you. They changed FW missions to make it much harder to run them in a stealth bomber, and it was never super easy to run gal mil missions in one to begin with.

Well I just gave one a shot to see how different they are and promptly lost a Purifier . Seriously though, they are definitely still doable. I can see exactly where I messed up and how to avoid it. It would require a little more cherry picking and some slightly different tactics but the Minmatar ones are definitely still doable in stealth bombers, especially if you have two characters running them together, which is easy enough on a dual monitor PC.

The real way to fix it is to ensure the mission objectives aren't so vulnerable to torpedoes which is why I suggested Burner style missions. The current targets tend to be battleships, transports or structures which can all be hammered from 70-80 km away whilst outrunning the pursuing ships with a MWD.

Tier 1 is best tier! Best contribution I could think of. Who wants my stuff?? Silver?

Most burner missions are run in Assault Frigates and Pirate Frigates but I was suggesting the style not a wholesale clone. The point of burner missions is that instead of stock standard, mass NPC slaughterfests the mission points out a target with a profile of damage, tank and other info so that you fit a ship to counter it. The idea behind burner missions was PVE that was more like fitting a ship for PVP and if used for FW, ideally, would encourage people to be flying around in FW zones in a ship that was more PVP focused than PVE. FW is supposed to be more PVP focused than PVE but the missions are very similar to running normal missions in LowSec.

Really the missions do pay out way too many LP but although it encourages a lot of people to switch factions to farm, a lot of them probably wouldn't be contributing much to the defence of their original faction anyway if all they want to do is farm LP. Changing the missions probably wouldn't help much with the state of FW when one side is dominating.

Reversing the scaling for defensive plexing would have a much bigger impact on FW as it actually rewards players for defending systems when they are losing badly and funnels more players into those systems the attackers are trying to take, hence leads to more conflict (kinda the whole point of FW).

The only advantage for cornered defenders I'd like to see is tier point bonus granted by daily averages of kills and warpoints, and not just territory control. I want both, but if I could have my pie and eat it too, I would remove donations level as a point value and shift that over to stacks of 25 points for best-in category daily values and weekly values towards that faction.

Kills, daily(25) and weekly (25)
WZ war points daily (25) weekly(25)
Isk efficiency KDR daily(25) weekly (25)

Then no one will complain or moan like babies when they are low tier. When they do, I shall shake my spear and laugh.

Edit: Probably change values to 50?

There's no incentive to be 'winning'. Just as when we didn't get an award or trophy for total warzone control the 2nd time, it was so disheartening and lame. People put in a lot of hours, but we were refused a medal due to the horde of farmers that were riding bloody coat tails. Rewarding higher tier to the losers is so anti-climactic that it borders on being ridiculous. I understand what t1 feels like, but flipping rewards around like this is not the solution.

Ye. Like I said above, if the system tier were decided on a categorical level we would be much better rounded. Take us for instance. If you look at our Statistics window in the FW GUI all this information is already here. Kills Yesterday, Kills In the Last Week. The same for Victory points.

If a batch point system were thrown in based on the Statistics in the Militia space in Gal v Cal wz it would look like this:

Kills in the Last Week: C.1505 /G.2064 (50 galmil)
Kills Yesterday: C.214 / G.289 (50 galmil)
Systems Controlled: C.32 / G.69 (50 galmil) double values
VP Last Week: C. .16m / G. .13m (50 Calmil)
VP Yesterday: C. 22.12k / G. 19.22k (50 Calmil)
Total Possible: 101 (systems) + 250 (points) = 351
Warzone Control levels: Gallente: (150+69) 219= T4 @62% Caldari: (100+32) 132= T2 @37% (nearly t3)

No more donations.

Edit: Reward levels would most definitely need to be reduced, but it would be great to see a fresh day to day tier change like this. The only bad thing thing though would be militia killing empty enemy alts to inflate numbers. It's just too easy to break a new system based on pvp values.

Where is your loyalty ?? FW is about honor and PVP, rewards should be considered a nice to have.