EVE General Discussion

because officer spawns and a-type/x-type drops are so common right?

hint: they're not

Please explain further the correlation between mineral prices and Incursions.
I would dearly love to see this explanation.

Any proof? No I didn't think so since given how muffled you sound I figured you must be sitting down.



Have you TRIED running a null-sec incursion? No, well let me clarify the situation for you:

1> Cloakies in all systems constantly - You never know when a arazu and a couple of falcons will uncloak, jam out the logistics and watch you die before warping out.

2> Extra guards/scouts needed in surrounding systems

3> Shines (1bil+ mac, vindis e.t.c.) not wanting to be used due to the much higher risk of using them, meaning the incursions take longer or needing more people making the actual income closer to 1.5x not double, thats if you aren't paying your scouts for their time. And if you DO use shineys the higher chance of losing them more than equalises any greater profits.

So basically you are full of crap, like normal.

That is fair. And warranted.



That is fair. Many people hate the other types of sites and it would help get the shiny fleets out of vanguards so the normal fleets have a chance.



This is likely fair. Tho I worry about the protracted effect the debuffs will have on nonshiny fleets. This will be tested on Sisi right?




100 percent agreed


Thank you for the clarification. In you opinion does the rest of the CSM have similar views or are the others calling for harsher nerfs?

I want to apologize for my comments earlier in this thread. I let my old preconceptions about the CSM (Due to events in the past) get the better of me and I am ashamed of that. Your comments show a balanced look at incursions that I can get behind. Thank you.

hardly but okay!

This thread if filled with MOAR NULL bears QQing that Hi Sec is not under the thumb of NULL corps & getting blown up in free range PvP playing the game how THY want to play not how many HI SECers wanna play it. NERF INCURSIONS AT THE SAME TIME YOU NERF TECH MOONS CCP!!! TECH MOONS PASSIVE INCOME IS WORSE THEN INCURSIONS Have drones poop moon goo to spread out the REAL wealth in CCP

Um yes. The CSM does represent EVE players and I asked for clarification so as to make a better opinion on the situation.

I found his statements fair. Sorry you don't like me speaking with a "pixel spaceship politician"

It didn't help that they had been fairly quiet for some time. However this new stint of openness is leaving me with more respect for the CSM as of late.

To you thats Mister carebear publord

After reading the thread, my opinions are essentially as follows:

1. Incursions are healthier for the game than easily bottable content, and while the isk/hour might be a tad high, I'd rather the high-profit activities available in EVE be the ones that require actual player interaction, not botting.

2. Nullsec is a hilariously safe place to farm, I've lived there for years in various sectors. I have been caught farming once and that was because I was being an idiot and watching pro Starcraft while farming. It's honestly more of a risk to your ship to pub an Incursion than it is to farm an anom in nullsec.

So what do I think should be done about highsec incursions? Very little - perhaps a reduction in the isk/hr of vanguards to deal with the inflation issue, and an increase to other types of sites to balance out the isk/hr in comparison to vanguards. Yada yada, been said before, nothing new. What I do think is even more important, however, is this: creating new, riskier, more profitable nullsec activities that cannot be easily botted. That's a pretty tall order - after all, making things risky in nullsec is hard without removing local completely, and I don't agree with that step (my personal opinion is that CovOps frigates shouldn't show up in local unless they aggress someone or speak in local, but that's not likely to happen I feel). But if you made it risky enough to be tougher than the highsec carebearing while also making it profitable enough to be worth the possibility of losing ships - well, then we'd actually be back to a good balance between highsec and nullsec. At the moment, neither of them is particularly risky, and nullsec does not grant a particularly improved stream of income for individual pilots (tech moons are another story, but corporate economics isn't something I've studied up on, so I'm not qualified to comment on it.)

In summary: Highsec risk is about right (seriously, try getting pub logi in your incursion fleet sometime - it's a crapshoot as to whether or not your faction BS is goign to get smoked), nullsec is too safe, highsec isk/hr is either slightly too high or about right, nullsec isk/hr is too low to make it worth the effort of farming it.

Buff exploration isk/hr please :( I want to use my probes again and not feel like it's a novelty.