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Ozzie Udan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-03-29 09:48:42 UTC
I know there are many many lines of work in our four Empires, one that worries me and seems to be neglected is security, freighters the very life blood of new eden are attacked daily some times at the very heart of our Empires, miners die harvesting the very mineral we need for what ever line of work you choose.

New pilots in their new corporations are under war declaration for no reason other than easy targets.

It's time to make a difference, get together with your own kind and make your empire safer, remember the days of the great golden fleets patrolling Amarr, hoards of rifters flying to the banners of minmatar freedom, they would have stopped this mindless killing

Join me and help plan and coordinate operations against these for a better word pirates. Goonswarm send out letters saying they can do as they please because they can, just as other groups I'm sure say the same, well it's time to act Now

A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head A painting of me

Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#2 - 2016-03-29 10:50:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Mizhara Del'thul
This just doesn't get old. Every single time I see this, it's so adorable. Baby seal walking into a club kind of adorable, but adorable nonetheless.

ETA: Bah, I'm getting soft and mushy in my old age. Allow me to explain;

There is literally nothing you can do to those who harvest the bounties of highsec for profit or fun that isn't already being done by CONCORD. Suicide tactics are suicidal by their very nature and having the greatest fleets known to man sitting on your freighter isn't going to do much when the thing goes down in one volley anyway. Same with miners, other haulers or those doing large scale wetwork for the big four.

War declarations are entirely legal by CONCORD standards and an innate risk when you form a corporation, or join one.

You simply are going to have to accept the fact that space isn't safe, and rather work to minimize the risks. Avoid certain pipeline systems if possible, tank your miners, haul safely in DSTs with the right fits and so on and so forth. Don't risk your entire wealth in a freighter, never autopilot, the list goes on.

The only ones you might be able to take on are highsec wardeccers, but in most cases this just means feeding them the content they want but are too afraid to get in lowsec or null.

So in short, man up and deal with it. These threats are so easily avoided it's not even very funny, and simply aren't worth the effort it'd take to even slightly inconvenience.
Ozzie Udan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2016-03-29 11:32:23 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
This just doesn't get old. Every single time I see this, it's so adorable. Baby seal walking into a club kind of adorable, but adorable nonetheless.

ETA: Bah, I'm getting soft and mushy in my old age. Allow me to explain;

There is literally nothing you can do to those who harvest the bounties of highsec for profit or fun that isn't already being done by CONCORD. Suicide tactics are suicidal by their very nature and having the greatest fleets known to man sitting on your freighter isn't going to do much when the thing goes down in one volley anyway. Same with miners, other haulers or those doing large scale wetwork for the big four.

War declarations are entirely legal by CONCORD standards and an innate risk when you form a corporation, or join one.

You simply are going to have to accept the fact that space isn't safe, and rather work to minimize the risks. Avoid certain pipeline systems if possible, tank your miners, haul safely in DSTs with the right fits and so on and so forth. Don't risk your entire wealth in a freighter, never autopilot, the list goes on.

The only ones you might be able to take on are highsec wardeccers, but in most cases this just means feeding them the content they want but are too afraid to get in lowsec or null.

So in short, man up and deal with it. These threats are so easily avoided it's not even very funny, and simply aren't worth the effort it'd take to even slightly inconvenience.


I'm sure you know what you're talking about in many aspects of new edan, but you are wrong about this, gankers can be stopped, yes you need to work at it but our small group is a real thorn in the side of these criminal, Same can be said of the Merc own poco attacks it hurting them, which in turn stops some of there war hunting ops on non-pvp corps

So instead of giving me tips on how to deal with these scum and from what I can make out is bend over and take it, man up your self and help us,

We kill them we hunt them we even gank them too and save many Ships along the way and as we misbehave we have fun

A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head A painting of me

Jade Vemane
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2016-03-29 11:47:57 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
This just doesn't get old. Every single time I see this, it's so adorable. Baby seal walking into a club kind of adorable, but adorable nonetheless.

ETA: Bah, I'm getting soft and mushy in my old age. Allow me to explain;

There is literally nothing you can do to those who harvest the bounties of highsec for profit or fun that isn't already being done by CONCORD. Suicide tactics are suicidal by their very nature and having the greatest fleets known to man sitting on your freighter isn't going to do much when the thing goes down in one volley anyway. Same with miners, other haulers or those doing large scale wetwork for the big four.

War declarations are entirely legal by CONCORD standards and an innate risk when you form a corporation, or join one.

You simply are going to have to accept the fact that space isn't safe, and rather work to minimize the risks. Avoid certain pipeline systems if possible, tank your miners, haul safely in DSTs with the right fits and so on and so forth. Don't risk your entire wealth in a freighter, never autopilot, the list goes on.

The only ones you might be able to take on are highsec wardeccers, but in most cases this just means feeding them the content they want but are too afraid to get in lowsec or null.

So in short, man up and deal with it. These threats are so easily avoided it's not even very funny, and simply aren't worth the effort it'd take to even slightly inconvenience.



Haha a baby seal, many have called Ozzie names before, code got it wrong as will others.

Why do people put the good guys down, maybe it's fear of the bad guys, what ever it is we will fight the monsters for you so worry not
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#5 - 2016-03-29 11:52:14 UTC
Go right ahead, they don't tend to come visit us in low very much, and we've got actually dangerous enemies to fight down here. Good luck.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#6 - 2016-03-29 12:02:14 UTC
Ozzie Udan wrote:
I know there are many many lines of work in our four Empires, one that worries me and seems to be neglected is security, freighters the very life blood of new eden are attacked daily some times at the very heart of our Empires, miners die harvesting the very mineral we need for what ever line of work you choose.

The main threat comes from the Federation, and all our forces should be directed on them.

Ozzie Udan wrote:

It's time to make a difference, get together with your own kind and make your empire safer, remember the days of the great golden fleets patrolling Amarr, hoards of rifters flying to the banners of minmatar freedom, they would have stopped this mindless killing

I detest your admiration of those, who were so degraded to fly under banners of minmatar chaos. They are even worse than random pirate, attacking a new pilot.

Ozzie Udan wrote:

Join me and help plan and coordinate operations against these for a better word pirates. Goonswarm send out letters saying they can do as they please because they can, just as other groups I'm sure say the same, well it's time to act Now

Although your goals seem reasonable and honorable, I have to decline on two following reasons:

1. The Federation is the greater enemy and should be destroyed first.

2. You have displayed an affinity to freedom, which is incompatible with professionalism.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#7 - 2016-03-29 12:58:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Deitra Vess
Been there, done that. Got sick of sitting in bombers mindlessly for days on end shooting mining barges and transports.... Why raise a gun when social strife is doing a better job of it? Goobswarm lost how many alliances yesterday? Never mind that they lost 10% of their membership yesterday alone. And code? Sooner or later they'll burn themselves out. Drawing attention to them just fuels them. Call it attrition...
Ozzie Udan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2016-03-29 13:17:32 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Go right ahead, they don't tend to come visit us in low very much, and we've got actually dangerous enemies to fight down here. Good luck.


Sorry i may have been a bit ott on last reply , good luck with fighting your bad guysRoll

A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head A painting of me

Ozzie Udan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2016-03-29 13:23:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Ozzie Udan
Diana Kim wrote:
Ozzie Udan wrote:
I know there are many many lines of work in our four Empires, one that worries me and seems to be neglected is security, freighters the very life blood of new eden are attacked daily some times at the very heart of our Empires, miners die harvesting the very mineral we need for what ever line of work you choose.

The main threat comes from the Federation, and all our forces should be directed on them.

Ozzie Udan wrote:

It's time to make a difference, get together with your own kind and make your empire safer, remember the days of the great golden fleets patrolling Amarr, hoards of rifters flying to the banners of minmatar freedom, they would have stopped this mindless killing

I detest your admiration of those, who were so degraded to fly under banners of minmatar chaos. They are even worse than random pirate, attacking a new pilot.

Ozzie Udan wrote:

Join me and help plan and coordinate operations against these for a better word pirates. Goonswarm send out letters saying they can do as they please because they can, just as other groups I'm sure say the same, well it's time to act Now

Although your goals seem reasonable and honorable, I have to decline on two following reasons:

1. The Federation is the greater enemy and should be destroyed first.

2. You have displayed an affinity to freedom, which is incompatible with professionalism.


All very good points, left me stumped for words for a short time, then some came to me about cleaning your own back yard (Uedama and the trade pipe to Amarr your allies)

A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head A painting of me

Ozzie Udan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2016-03-29 13:52:06 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Been there, done that. Got sick of sitting in bombers mindlessly for days on end shooting mining barges and transports.... Why raise a gun when social strife is doing a better job of it? Goobswarm lost how many alliances yesterday? Never mind that they lost 10% of their membership yesterday alone. And code? Sooner or later they'll burn themselves out. Drawing attention to them just fuels them. Call it attrition...


Once code and goons have gone, its not going to be holding hands and sing you know but we can try if you want, some Mercs have violins following them around these days so i hear and buckets for the tears, so who know what will happen BUT
EvE is a hard place we need to be ready for the next saga

On a side note, any vets out there fancy helping your more than welcome, mail me what skills you have and how you want to help and the same for very new pilots.

A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head A painting of me

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#11 - 2016-03-29 15:02:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Deitra Vess
Ozzie Udan wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Been there, done that. Got sick of sitting in bombers mindlessly for days on end shooting mining barges and transports.... Why raise a gun when social strife is doing a better job of it? Goobswarm lost how many alliances yesterday? Never mind that they lost 10% of their membership yesterday alone. And code? Sooner or later they'll burn themselves out. Drawing attention to them just fuels them. Call it attrition...


Once code and goons have gone, its not going to be holding hands and sing you know but we can try if you want, some Mercs have violins following them around these days so i hear and buckets for the tears, so who know what will happen BUT
EvE is a hard place we need to be ready for the next saga

On a side note, any vets out there fancy helping your more than welcome, mail me what skills you have and how you want to help and the same for very new pilots.

I'm talking about fighting SMA, part of that coalition your speaking of fighting. At least in the early parts of it, you weren't doing much more than what CODE is doing to hapless freighters in Higher Sec systems. when I was on my way out the door they were even doing the same thing your looking to quell to the neutral entities who were confirmed to acting in support of them (neutral freighters, ect). Obviously they knew who they were, hiring neutrals as plants in their organization was extremely easy then and from what I've heard now is more less the same lack of difficulty. Atleast on the Goonswarm side, unless your looking for something specifically The Mittani's killing his own forces faster than the Allies are blowing through their sov. Why bother sending your crews to their deaths for........nothing but bragging rights(which it hardly is worth bragging about, unless your commanding a PL, OOS, TISHU or any other major player's fleet)? With James or whoever is running CODE, give it time and they'll burn out too. Killing clones won't really stop what your trying to stop. Killing their Notoriety, which your attempts at directly fighting them are bringing into light, will.

Once CODE and Goons are gone, PL or TEST or some other group will take their place. Its human nature. Cant fight the tide as they say. Hate to tell ya, since I know your intentions are good, but a lot of what your trying to do is fruitless. You starve a fire by removing the oxygen, not by fanning the flames.
Karina Ivanovich
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2016-03-29 16:12:09 UTC
Must one die to join the fold?
Or is the flock merely lost without it's shepherd.

Oni spear in the dark to steal the sheep.
But no amount of walls will protect the naive.
Innocent blood will be shed by those unworthy.

Some call me insane. If the universe is sane, then I embrace that label.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#13 - 2016-03-29 18:10:31 UTC
The more you acknowledge them, the stronger they get.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Matar Ronin
#14 - 2016-03-29 19:06:47 UTC
Ozzie Udan wrote:
I know there are many many lines of work in our four Empires, one that worries me and seems to be neglected is security, freighters the very life blood of new eden are attacked daily some times at the very heart of our Empires, miners die harvesting the very mineral we need for what ever line of work you choose.

New pilots in their new corporations are under war declaration for no reason other than easy targets.

It's time to make a difference, get together with your own kind and make your empire safer, remember the days of the great golden fleets patrolling Amarr, hoards of rifters flying to the banners of minmatar freedom, they would have stopped this mindless killing

Join me and help plan and coordinate operations against these for a better word pirates. Goonswarm send out letters saying they can do as they please because they can, just as other groups I'm sure say the same, well it's time to act Now
So could you please spell out exactly what your plan is?

I am not sure if you are really just trying to recruit for your corp/alliance or create a cooperative coordinated effort across New Eden. If your plan includes either or both it is hard to imagine your success without war declarations in high security space. I am curious as to how you plan to drive them out, the pirates. A few more specifics would be helpful.

What will your strategy be? Hang out around heavily pirated systems and fly to the aid of freighters and miners once they are attacked? Concord does that now and many ships are still lost because the attacks are scaled to survive long enough to get the kill. What is your plan to do better than that?

How do you plan to fund your vigilante anti-pirate fleets? Do you have a set of ship fits and types best suited to accomplish your goals you can share? Do you have experienced fleet commanders to guide those who flock to your cause? I think there is a lot of merit to what you could be proposing. I am not sure you have fully estimated the scale of the challenge it represents.

Perhaps you might select just one system and eradicate the pirates there and prove the tactical feasibility of your plans and understand it's logistical expenses. You could then try to expand and replicate it's success to more systems as pilots are drawn to your successful endeavors.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2016-03-29 19:38:36 UTC
As a sometime pirate I object to being put in the same category as CODE.

As someone who plays the markets and has shares in Catalyst mass production I object to the economic ramifications of defeating CODE. Blink

As someone who has to pay attention to their ships readouts a to make a living in New Eden I see no advantage to prosecuting a war against CODE. when most of their victims are capsuleers who have become so monstrous and jaded about immortality that they are willing to sleep in their cockpit during operations that put their non-immortal crews in mortal jeapordy.
Ozzie Udan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2016-03-30 07:35:41 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
The more you acknowledge them, the stronger they get.


We can't turn our backs for ever, can we, talking about better security for our Empires, being proactive unlike Concord and our faction police who deal out the punishment after the event.

A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head A painting of me

Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#17 - 2016-03-30 08:11:28 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
Perhaps you might select just one system and eradicate the pirates there and prove the tactical feasibility of your plans and understand it's logistical expenses. You could then try to expand and replicate it's success to more systems as pilots are drawn to your successful endeavors.


Indeed. Make Uedama a safe passage, and people will start to take notice.

(Though I should note my general agreement with Captain Vanis-Tor. Industry would suffer more from peaceable empire space than it would gain).

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.
Ozzie Udan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2016-03-30 08:42:57 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
Ozzie Udan wrote:
So could you please spell out exactly what your plan is?

I am not sure if you are really just trying to recruit for your corp/alliance or create a cooperative coordinated effort across New Eden. If your plan includes either or both it is hard to imagine your success without war declarations in high security space. I am curious as to how you plan to drive them out, the pirates. A few more specifics would be helpful.

What will your strategy be? Hang out around heavily pirated systems and fly to the aid of freighters and miners once they are attacked? Concord does that now and many ships are still lost because the attacks are scaled to survive long enough to get the kill. What is your plan to do better than that?

How do you plan to fund your vigilante anti-pirate fleets? Do you have a set of ship fits and types best suited to accomplish your goals you can share? Do you have experienced fleet commanders to guide those who flock to your cause? I think there is a lot of merit to what you could be proposing. I am not sure you have fully estimated the scale of the challenge it represents.

Perhaps you might select just one system and eradicate the pirates there and prove the tactical feasibility of your plans and understand it's logistical expenses. You could then try to expand and replicate it's success to more systems as pilots are drawn to your successful endeavors.


Thxs for your reply, some good points, I am trying to do both, recruit for my corp and at the same time coordinate other forces, Recruitment never stops, its an on going thing, as for cooperative coordinated effort, that is working in a small area already , the pipe from jita to amarr, if i can find other groups doing the same in more of New eden all the better.

You sure made me think, so later today i'll write up a strategy and battle plan for you to look over, if you don't mind.

As for funding, I have been on many operations to save ships so far i have been given 2.5 bill in isk and made over 250mill in dead criminal loot, i have had offers of ships and fittings and offers to pay Mercs to help with our ops, help plan poco take downs held by our enemies, people support this so now i just need pilots, the hard part

Ships and fits are in hand and i'll add to the battle plan for you to look over.

A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head A painting of me

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#19 - 2016-03-30 12:48:19 UTC
Ozzie Udan wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
The more you acknowledge them, the stronger they get.


We can't turn our backs for ever, can we, talking about better security for our Empires, being proactive unlike Concord and our faction police who deal out the punishment after the event.

Sadly, people like you are much to loud to be an effectively proactive force.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#20 - 2016-04-01 07:47:10 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:

Sadly, people like you are much to loud to be an effectively proactive force.

Hypocrisy overload.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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