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PROPOSAL: A Notable Theological Discussion

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edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk
Crimson Inquisicion
#21 - 2016-03-29 09:48:32 UTC  |  Edited by: edeity
What a bunch of claptrap. Mokk was amongst the very first to stand against me as a representative of Khanid. In no way can you claim he is an ally or standing in league. And yet the narrative of pettiness and narrow mindedness stands proud.

Let me put this a different way. My faith is one of action. Not words. There are words here to see if one form of action can be pursued, action of collaboration. But if not, well, wheels are already in motion in preparation.

To speak clearer, the new war will not last for a long time. Many brothers and sisters will be in want of things to do. Are you so confident they will toe the old line and respect the derelict self gratifying structures of self proclaimed authority you have crafted for yourselves? I know where their loyalties will lie. Do you? Has your narrow mind even conceived of the world beyond your pathetic pandering for likes from the piteously minuscule representation of projection of Amarrian power here?

I would rather not be enemy to CVA but I would rather even more Amarr not be denied its right to rule rightfully with all it's power. If CVA was true to what it once was, it would support this as well. But you are a sham.

A dream is taking root. A dream of a more tolerant warzone. One in which the very last vestiges of the decayed and faded rule of Providence and PIE is finally removed. I stand not alone and am asked constantly when is the time. Perhaps this brings clarity.

Your time has faded and rest on withered laurels. Get out of the way of the light of the full faith.
edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk
Crimson Inquisicion
#22 - 2016-03-29 10:49:36 UTC  |  Edited by: edeity
Update. There has been an intercept of a formal diplomatic response to this issue from the CTRLV alliance. It is in the form of character of their culture and traditions, and is what one would expect.

CTRLV Formal Diplomatic Position PIE & CVA
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#23 - 2016-03-29 11:37:40 UTC
Nicoletta Mithra wrote:
Sani Sabikism has no theology because it has no place for reasoned discourse qua being Sani Sabikism.


This is not even close to true. In the last few years, I have introduced several advanced theological concepts to this forum and the corresponding in-flight channels:

  • The doctrine of the Golden Age and the Blood Age and how it explains current events.
  • The benefits of blood types to its consumers (that is, "The blood of the Brutor gives strength to the Chosen" and so on).
  • The doctrine of "given over to destruction" along with the identification of those to whom the doctrine applies.
  • A robust notion of predestination and God-glorification defended against all those wimpy liberals who find it horrifying.
  • The doctrine of purifying sin through blood, and how it provides the Chosen a more merciful path as compared to self-flagellation and selling oneself into slavery.


Synthia's (or was it Valerie's) claims aside (claims based only on the testimony of an admiral who is himself wayward and liberal), I am truly the greatest Sani Sabik theologian of the modern era; there is none among the present-day "orthodox" Amarr who can stand against me in debate. Even so, may the Blood Age come quickly. Amen. Amarr Victor.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#24 - 2016-03-29 11:49:51 UTC
It is sort of amusing and heartening at once to see so many of the loyalists dismiss these blooders, sansha etc from relevance when it comes to talkin', but it's also rather disappointing to see that talk is all it is. When the fights start, the loyalists huddle up to the heretics with shifty eyes and I could swear their piloting is trying to telegraph "I just happened to be here. Not with these guys."

You know what would be immensely impressive to see? The Imperial loyalists actually being better and stronger than my own side, and taking a stand not just on pointless fora but in space. Take up arms and say no more. Or you know, at the very least don't run under their coats when the fighting gets hard.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#25 - 2016-03-29 12:32:16 UTC
I am honestly surprised and glad the Imperials will try to talk with pirates. We have a common enemy and we all should stay united.

I myself rather often speak intolerantly about quite a lot of entities that oppose the State, but when the business comes to the fight, I would accept flying even with gurista, or whomever else who will agree to fight against gallente swines and tribal dogs.

And that actually means a lot. I have been fighting gurista long before the war has started, and even before I became a capsuleer. They are greatly amoral, savage and disgusting persons, whom I'd better just shoot instead of trying to talk to. They are even more disgusting than Blood Raiders. Yes, we have stormed a couple of their cathedrals in Caldari Space. If you did the same, you probably remember the picture of their insides... or more like insides of their poor victims. But alas, for an experienced marine it wasn't neither scary, nor disgusting: we have seen that all on a battlefield. A shell hitting a platoon can make pictures way more wretched than Blood Raider's imagination can achieve. What gurista were doing inside their installations was way more disturbing. Because it was unusual, it was highly amoral and disgusting.

And they stink too.

Still, would fight with them if they will turn their guns against Federation and Republic.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#26 - 2016-03-29 13:56:57 UTC
edeity wrote:
What a bunch of claptrap. Mokk was amongst the very first to stand against me as a representative of Khanid.


Is he representing Khanid this week?
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#27 - 2016-03-29 15:09:03 UTC
Came expecting another Amarrian ******* match. Left somewhat disappointed.....

2/10
edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk
Crimson Inquisicion
#28 - 2016-03-29 20:32:47 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Came expecting another Amarrian ******* match. Left somewhat disappointed.....

2/10


Alas PIE has adopted the tactics of the Matari, its called "Running Away When Do Not Have Overwhelming Odds in Favour".

No bloodsport here. Just sidelines commentary from nobodies.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#29 - 2016-03-29 20:40:49 UTC
edeity wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Came expecting another Amarrian ******* match. Left somewhat disappointed.....

2/10


Alas PIE has adopted the tactics of the Matari, its called "Running Away When Do Not Have Overwhelming Odds in Favour".

No bloodsport here. Just sidelines commentary from nobodies.

At least we talk to each other.......
edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk
Crimson Inquisicion
#30 - 2016-03-29 20:50:51 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
edeity wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Came expecting another Amarrian ******* match. Left somewhat disappointed.....

2/10


Alas PIE has adopted the tactics of the Matari, its called "Running Away When Do Not Have Overwhelming Odds in Favour".

No bloodsport here. Just sidelines commentary from nobodies.

At least we talk to each other.......


Indeed. I commend you for it. You suffer not the false arrogance of self granted unsubstantiated authority.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#31 - 2016-03-29 20:53:39 UTC
I think that's a point we can definitely agree on.
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2016-03-30 02:21:23 UTC
Nicoletta Mithra wrote:
Well, Mr. Mokk,

I expected... well, actually, no, I didn't expect better of you than to side in this as a partisan with Blooders and other heretics of the Sani Sabik!

Don't try to play the part of the impartial outsider and expect anyone to swallow it:
It is obvious that you, being a criminal - if not heretic(?), would benefit in this endeavour of striving for legitimacy. After all, if heretics get some legitimacy, then criminals would as well, no?

The Peace Summit of Dr. Sarain was quite a different animal than the herein proposed conference. You do him a disvavour by associating one with the other, too. The Peace Summit might have included criminals and heretics (though not as delegates, as Cpt. Onzo points out rightfully in his post further down) - yet it was not a summit between one lawful entity and entities outlawed by that one entity: And nowhere was the aim of the Peace Summit to legitimize outlaws, be that criminals or heretics.

How the rest of the Galaxy views the Amarr Faith and the Sani Sabik heresy is of little concern. The Empire has no difference to prove in this regard: Any outsiders who dedicate themselves to study this will see the difference and quite clearly so. That much has been the experience of Aria Jenneth as well as others. Those who don't want to see the difference won't be convinced by the farce proposed here, either.

Also, the claim that the Empire is the steward of the one true Faith is not a matter of "factual historic documentation". No historical document can prove that. After all, the true Faith is faithful to God, not some historical document: Just as true obedience means to follow the command according to it's intent, not to the letter.

Lastly, no one is refusing to send a representative. We simply deny that there is anything worthwhile to which a representative could be sent. The situation is easy to understand: Sani Sabikism has no theology because it has no place for reasoned discourse qua being Sani Sabikism. The only place 'reasoned discourse' has for those heretics is as a word used in decieving others about their true intentions - or outside of their identity as Sani Sabik. It is hypocritical, though, to suggest that their identity as heretics will be left out in a discourse about their heresy and it's status. It'd also be wrong to ignore this.

If any of those heretics want legitimacy, then they are free to renounce their heresies, repent and lay their lives down to be decided upon by imperial authorities.



Dear Lady,

I am open to discussion, nothing more.

My service record and standings with the Bloodraiders speaks for itself. Also, I don't recall in the Scriptures where it says, "Thou who would disagree with Nicoletta Mithramust be a heretic." Don't be the Commander Kim of the Empire.

Sarain's conference was an attempt to open a dialogue among warring factions. It' wasn't "The Sarain Show, starring The Amarr Empire." He felt that by getting enemies to talk, maybe they could find a way to create peace That's all I'm suggesting here. Talk. Granted, you may hear some words that you don't like, but that's the danger of actually growing enough cultural competency to listen to an alternate or even opposing viewpoint.

And you should very much care how the rest of the Galaxy views the Empire. The Empire is fast running out of friends and gaining more enemies every day. Are you at all interested in saving the lives of Amarr citizens, or are you as thirsty for blood as Omir?

You lose nothing by sending a representative. You can only gain by this.Ignore this opportunity, and you will never know how many of the Sanists you could have lead back to the Light.



"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2016-03-30 02:26:00 UTC
Utari Onzo wrote:
Mokk, you have forced me to post here again by your blatant slander. As a delegate to the Conference you would damn well know Sansha and Blooders were disbarred from Delegacy. They were never a part of the Conference and The Faith was never a point of discussion or debate.

Don't spin Sarain's legacy of political peace for your twisted attempt to appear as a theological 'peace maker'.



Again, Sarain wanted dialogue. Are you so scared of words?

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2016-03-30 02:39:03 UTC
edeity wrote:
What a bunch of claptrap. Mokk was amongst the very first to stand against me as a representative of Khanid. In no way can you claim he is an ally or standing in league. And yet the narrative of pettiness and narrow mindedness stands proud.

Let me put this a different way. My faith is one of action. Not words. There are words here to see if one form of action can be pursued, action of collaboration. But if not, well, wheels are already in motion in preparation.

To speak clearer, the new war will not last for a long time. Many brothers and sisters will be in want of things to do. Are you so confident they will toe the old line and respect the derelict self gratifying structures of self proclaimed authority you have crafted for yourselves? I know where their loyalties will lie. Do you? Has your narrow mind even conceived of the world beyond your pathetic pandering for likes from the piteously minuscule representation of projection of Amarrian power here?

I would rather not be enemy to CVA but I would rather even more Amarr not be denied its right to rule rightfully with all it's power. If CVA was true to what it once was, it would support this as well. But you are a sham.

A dream is taking root. A dream of a more tolerant warzone. One in which the very last vestiges of the decayed and faded rule of Providence and PIE is finally removed. I stand not alone and am asked constantly when is the time. Perhaps this brings clarity.

Your time has faded and rest on withered laurels. Get out of the way of the light of the full faith.



Truth. I "supported" the decision of King Khanid in selecting a skilled pilot. Such things are called "Faith" and Loyatly." Outside of that, I've been in more than a few corporations over the years who specifically defended Khanid from Bloodraiders.

Even among my current associates, the Raiders are less than popular.

We meet, we talk. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. If, at the end of it, there is no positive outcome, we go on gleefully murdering each other.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2016-03-30 02:45:51 UTC
Karmilla Strife wrote:
edeity wrote:
What a bunch of claptrap. Mokk was amongst the very first to stand against me as a representative of Khanid.


Is he representing Khanid this week?



Are you representing PY-RE this week?


"In the beginning all things were as one.
God parted them and breathed life into his creation
Divided the parts and gave each its place
And unto each, bestowed purpose."

- The Scriptures, Book I Verses 1:4


Know your place child, before concerning yourself with mine.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#36 - 2016-03-30 03:56:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Lunarisse Aspenstar
Mr. Mokk, respectfully, I must note that, according to the OP Sanist, you and I are just "Just sidelines commentary from nobodies." Indeed, I think his response to your inquiry was to ridicule you.

No sense in wasting our time, is there, with that sort of arrogance? Very typical of the Sani.

I will.. however, despite our substantial differences, be delighted to have a glass of wine with you to discuss current events, the Drifters and the Trials (in which the OP was eliminated in the first round resulting in this apparent cry for relevance)

In his dotage, the OP Sanist is too busy posturing and living in the past rather than to respond to existential threats to the Empire and humanity or to acknowledge other, additional, players in the Empire and Kingdom.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#37 - 2016-03-30 04:33:11 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:


Are you representing PY-RE this week?



Killmails, top frags, and body counts are all representative of PY-RE -- not individuals.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#38 - 2016-03-30 05:08:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Deitra Vess
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:
Mr. Mokk, respectfully, I must note that, according to the OP Sanist, you and I are just "Just sidelines commentary from nobodies." Indeed, I think his response to your inquiry was to ridicule you.

No sense in wasting our time, is there, with that sort of arrogance? Very typical of the Sani.

I will.. however, be delighted to have a glass of wine with you to discuss our mutual interests with respect to the Drifters.

In his dotage, the OP Sanist is too busy posturing and living in the past rather than to respond to existential threats to the Empire and humanity or to acknowledge other, additional, players in the Empire and Kingdom.

Honestly I think he was referring to me and others chiming in with nothing really at stake...
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#39 - 2016-03-30 15:19:17 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:
Mr. Mokk, respectfully, I must note that, according to the OP Sanist, you and I are just "Just sidelines commentary from nobodies." Indeed, I think his response to your inquiry was to ridicule you.

No sense in wasting our time, is there, with that sort of arrogance? Very typical of the Sani.

I will.. however, be delighted to have a glass of wine with you to discuss our mutual interests with respect to the Drifters.

In his dotage, the OP Sanist is too busy posturing and living in the past rather than to respond to existential threats to the Empire and humanity or to acknowledge other, additional, players in the Empire and Kingdom.

Honestly I think he was referring to me and others chiming in with nothing really at stake...


I am pretty sure he means all of us.
Morgan Wulver
SAYR Reserve Guard
SAYR Galactic
#40 - 2016-03-30 21:31:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Morgan Wulver
edeity wrote:

Of note, I would welcome:

  • Lord Vaari
  • Nauplius
  • Representatives of CVA
  • Others that wish to tender their views with a track record in this forum





Whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy? Even among the Sabik, who would want to willingly spend time with this man?

Kirjuun! Uakan! Teknikiara! Kanpai kameitsamuu! Ra ra ra!

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