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Your thoughts of the new mining drone. Coming soon?
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Destiny Dain2
Your Destiny Corporation
#41 - 2016-03-27 06:21:13 UTC
Abadayos wrote:

Now we just have to wait


I'll take a guess and say the release after April 21 Release.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#42 - 2016-03-27 08:34:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
Destiny Dain2 wrote:
I am glad that everyone has something to say, but my turn again.

I am happy that this is another way to get everyone out to null sec so we can get blown up and feed into your (CCP) accounts, but seriously I would like a high sec alternative to the drone and apparently other people would like it as well. Maybe 250 m3 per drone in high sec, maybe as a small mining drone. I don't know.


What do you think?


The point is that nobody will go to nullsec just to fly that stuff. The point is that not even nullseccers are interested to use those ships out in the wild. The point is that CCP is doing all they can to save EVE by catering to PvPrs and yet they lose 2 PvErs for each PvPr they manage to retain.

The point is that EVE trends in the same direction as highsec, PvE and solo play, and all efforts made by CCP to save the sorry asses of non-highsec, PvP and multiplay are worthless unless CCP eats their vegetables before the burguer and fries.

CCP is losing 2 PvErs for each excruciatingly retained PvPr. And as server population indicates, they are running out of PvErs.


CCP's latest return deal has been offering 10 days for 0.99 €, or even for free, to PvErs willing to try the Guristas event. It certainly looks like a good time to tinker with nullsec-only mining drones...
Elayae
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
#43 - 2016-03-27 08:58:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Elayae
Hi there,

I have been reading the discussion and just wanted to add my thoughts on the new mining drone and the rorqual.
I would like to do the following:

1. Specialize the new mining drones for a selection of ore (e.g. veldspar, plagioclase etc) only to mine faster, it creates a nice niche for teams working together with different teams of specialized drones.

2. Let the rorqual be used in 0.5-0.6 high sec systems (flying, active only) or maybe even all high security (transport only, no flying). The reason is simple it would be the only stepping stone for capital pilots to try out and have a feel for an expensive ship before going to the next phase. This fits in well with the miners too as the ship can be utilized by them before trying it in lower security zones.

3. Let the rorqual use boosters as well as two different mining teams of specialized ore.

4. Let the rorqual be able to activate a timed (e.g. 30 sec) shield bubble (large in size able to encompass multiple mining ships; opposite of interdictor bubble) in which all ships cannot fire guns or can be fired upon and all ships would be able to warp out of the shield bubble unharmed. It makes the cat and mouse game much more nicer by both attackers and defenders needing to act in time to outsmart the other. Mining ships can drift out of reach of the security of the bubble shield. Also mining vessels could get caught in the asteroids and not able to warp off in time before the shield bubble is going down again. Bumping could also play a big part, as the attackers can bump a few before the shield goes down to catch them

-Ela

P.S. The shield bubble is useful in especially zero and low sec obviously, however it needs the right balance of timers and radius not to let it be abused in other situations
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#44 - 2016-03-27 09:38:47 UTC
Simpler thought. There is this Capital ship called the Orca..... That people have been wanting to be able to mine an equal amount to a barge while it works in the belt. I.E. ships in belt should be active.
So the Orca could be getting a bandwidth increase, even if it can't fly 5 it could then be usable in highsec and make the orca pilot more actively involved in things.
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2016-03-27 09:52:24 UTC
Moac Tor wrote:
Looks interesting. I suspect it will work much like the new fighters for capital ships but be bonused for the rorqual.

After seeing this I strongly suspect that they will unveil a Rorqual rebalance at fanfest this year.


This ^
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2016-03-27 09:59:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Elyia Suze Nagala
pushdogg wrote:
Aurelius Ignum wrote:
With POS shield bubbles going away, it would seem that the days of Rorqs just sitting at the POS giving boosts are limited.

This will give the Rorq pilot an incentive, if not an outright necessity, of actually having to do something.

But these mining drones look like a poor choice in the actual something to do.


When off-grid boosts get changed the rorq will have to be on on-grid, might as well give it something to do.


No one will risk flying a multibillion isk tub of lard into a belt in low or null sec for boosts. Especially carebears and the regular PvP crowd that doesn't hardly mine at all other than to make replacement ships and ammo on the fly aren't interested in that either. If off grid boosts for industry disappear so will Roquals.

The only other alternative is make Roquals align faster.
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2016-03-27 12:48:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Elyia Suze Nagala
Here's another couple ideas to solve this problem:

A. Mining Platform "Citedals", like the future ones being proposed atm that have system wide effects that basically function as and replace off grid boosts. Or..

B. A new deployable structure that provides on grid boosts. It would have too be slight expensive, 30 to 50 mil, and have their based boost percentages. For example, tier I 5% boost, tier II 10% boost, etc. Perhaps a different tpye of structure for each attribute, like one for rate, one for yield, one for capacitor.

The were still left with rotting Roquals so I think they need to pemit them to tether with citedals, get a bonus to compression amount or rate or something.. Warp acceleration maybe?
Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
#48 - 2016-03-27 16:07:15 UTC
I think if the new mining drone was a replica of Marilyn Monroe, interest in IT would be...ENLARGED.

If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#49 - 2016-03-28 09:19:03 UTC
Elyia Suze Nagala wrote:
Here's another couple ideas to solve this problem:

What problem?

Just because 1-2 people complain, doesn't mean there's a problem.

Here there definitely isn't a problem. There are options people can take or not, totally their choice.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2016-03-28 09:30:17 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Elyia Suze Nagala wrote:
Here's another couple ideas to solve this problem:

What problem?

Just because 1-2 people complain, doesn't mean there's a problem.

Here there definitely isn't a problem. There are options people can take or not, totally their choice.


Rotting Roquals smell repugnant, that's a problem. I'm trying to suggest how to reuse them or replace their functionality.

And as I said Carebears won't risk a multibillion isk ship that moves as slow as a snail in anomalies to provide boosts. They're to volunerable in their current condition, they need change. Ergo, until they become more like dolphins or orcas, there will be more smelly rotting Roquals. No one likes huffing carcasses, it's a problem. Till I see a blog with a solution to this issue that will be Me, Myself, and I'd personal opinion. You don't have to agree with it.
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2016-03-28 09:33:01 UTC
In regards to providing boost solutions, one can jyst take their chance with an orca, or maybe CCP will do another appoach like the ones I mentioned, or not..
Anyura
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2016-03-28 13:54:47 UTC
If you want to encourage Rorqual use, have the new mining drones mine material directly out of ship hulls. A swarm lands on your shiny battlecruiser. It's quiet at first, save for faint scratching sound as metallic teeth slowly chew through the armour. The scratching gets louder as armoured plates are turned into lumps of tritanium and pyrite. The armour is gone and now the drones eagerly chew upon your structure, your damage control helpless in the face of the relentless metal locusts. Suddenly you hear a harsh clang as a robotic arm latches onto the shell of your pod. You twist and turn in your gel filled capsule, silently screaming and unable to flee from a grisly and protracted death.


So yeah, mining drones could be fun with some slight tweaks.
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2016-03-28 14:19:38 UTC
Anyura wrote:
If you want to encourage Rorqual use, have the new mining drones mine material directly out of ship hulls. A swarm lands on your shiny battlecruiser. It's quiet at first, save for faint scratching sound as metallic teeth slowly chew through the armour. The scratching gets louder as armoured plates are turned into lumps of tritanium and pyrite. The armour is gone and now the drones eagerly chew upon your structure, your damage control helpless in the face of the relentless metal locusts. Suddenly you hear a harsh clang as a robotic arm latches onto the shell of your pod. You twist and turn in your gel filled capsule, silently screaming and unable to flee from a grisly and protracted death.


So yeah, mining drones could be fun with some slight tweaks.


Lol
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#54 - 2016-03-28 17:04:49 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Well on current SiSi stats, it has 200 Mbit/sec bandwidth.

No one is fitting many at that figure if it stays that way, at least on anything less than a rebalanced Rorqual. It's not a mining drone for anyone. Only for use on a theoretical ship with massive bandwidth, so not in highsec at all.

Will mainly be an option in the safety of sov null that is being well used and defended.


CCP is going full stupid with nullsec PvE. Who is supposed to use that drone?

Nullsec miners? That's a breed so rare that can't be quantitfied.
Nullsec dwellers acting as miners? Come on. They plain hate mining fleet ops.
Highsec miners allured by new hardware?. That's stupid.

It would make a lot more of sense to rework the Rorqual so it was usable in highsec (say, scale it so it was just a bit better than freighter+boost Orca combo).


I used to attempt a fair bit of mining in null, but constant CTA of being screamed at be in a frigate, go 35 jumps, and wait at this outpost incase someone comes for it or get kicked out turned me off to null sec all together

and they wont let the rorqual into high because it would make the orca useless as ccp has stated multiple times.

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
morion
Lighting Build
#55 - 2016-03-28 18:44:19 UTC  |  Edited by: morion
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Anyura
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2016-03-28 19:08:40 UTC
You know, now I think about it, this could actually be a workable idea. If you set it so that these "locust" drones are only useable by mining ships, you could create the mining equivalent of Mimics from Dark Souls. Is that single mining ship a genuine miner, or something that's going to scram you and patiently tank your damage until their drones tear you to pieces?
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#57 - 2016-03-28 19:30:48 UTC
Anyura wrote:
You know, now I think about it, this could actually be a workable idea. If you set it so that these "locust" drones are only useable by mining ships, you could create the mining equivalent of Mimics from Dark Souls. Is that single mining ship a genuine miner, or something that's going to scram you and patiently tank your damage until their drones tear you to pieces?

The extractor drones have the massive speed of 100 m/s. A broken down ship could speed tank them.

If you want damage drones, then use damage drones. This isn't the drone for that. It's for mining in combination with a ship that has a huge drone bay and tonnes of bandwidth.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Pryce Caesar
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2016-03-28 19:37:52 UTC
Drago Shouna wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Destiny Dain2 wrote:
Just thought of something. I do not know if it is a good idea since I can not test it, but. a way to get these drones on without a big reworking of the Rorqual and usable on other ships.

They could make a new module that increases the ships drone bandwidth. So for instance a ship that normally sent out 5 med. drones with a couple of these modules you can sent out 4 large drones for higher damage and survivability in null against rats.

Would something like this actually work?

Firstly, why do these drones need to be used by other ships?

If you want to use them, then learn to fly the ship that is designed to use them with.

Secondly, no that wouldn't work in any case.

In addition to 200 MBit/sec bandwidth, the drone has a volume of 200 m^3 (SiSi stats, so subject to change).

That won't fit in the drone bay of regular mining barges or exhumers, etc.

Think of it like the Gecko of mining drones. Big and uses lots of bandwidth, so limited in how many and what ships can use it. Not everything in the game needs to be usable by everyone. It's ok for things to be specialised.



What's the point of mining drones that 99% of miners can't use?

Most mining by far goes on in HS, we know that. So making a drone unusable in the main mining sector makes zero sense.

Please don't start droning on about moving to null and buying a Rorqual either, I want 1k bandwidth and a 1k drone hold on my Exhumer.


The point is to give a buff to a class of mining ship that was otherwise restricted to one role. I don't know if they'll be adding capital mining modules to the mix, but some people will likely be very happy with the change in Null-Sec. All the most valuable minerals in space are found in Null-Sec, so the guys down there will take full advantage of that fact.
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2016-03-28 22:58:08 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Chopper Rollins wrote:
my disgust can really only be expressed with interpretive dance.
Is it too much to ask for a short video of your performance?

Mr Epeen Cool



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIIgQ0nu7BM

After reading this thread, i think this oughta do it.



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Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2016-03-29 00:28:24 UTC
A new mining drone for "bulk mining" is a great idea.

Separately, I'm saying if they intend to make this thing work in tangent with Ore Capital industrials, notably the Roqual, then it probably won't be enough because carebear are to risk adverse to use a Roqual in belts and anoms after off grid boosting is removed.

The mining drone looks cool, stats are less impressive, but mehh..