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Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-01-07 06:27:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarnis McPieksu
In fact, here you go. Go shoot some POSes. I honestly don't know if this is in any way complete list, just a list I could find in two minutes with Google that had at least some moons I personally know are there...

Technetium Moon List

Empire Regions: 34 Tech moons in total

Black Rise (17)

Enaluri V - Moon 3
Ienakkamon X - Moon 1
Iralaja VII - Moon 13
Kedama IV - Moon 7
Kehjari IV - Moon 14
Korasen VI - Moon 3
Nennamaila IX - Moon 1
Nennamaila X - Moon 3
Nisuwa VI - Moon 4
Nisuwa X - Moon 2
Prism VII - Moon 1
Reitsato VII - Moon 2
Reitsato VII - Moon 8
Teimo V - Moon 5
Teimo VIII - Moon 11
Teimo X - Moon 1
Villasen V - Moon 14

Essence (1)

Ladistier III - Moon 1

The Forge (3)

Osaa IV - Moon 5
Tasti IV - Moon 17
Uemon XI - Moon 4

Heimatar (1)

Bosboger III - Moon 6

Lonetrek (4)

Iitanmadan VI - Moon 3
Iitanmadan VII - Moon 9
Karjataimon V - Moon 17
Tamo V - Moon 6

Metropolis (1)

Arifsdald V - Moon 17

Placid (5)

Agoze X - Moon 15
Athounon VII - Moon 18
Aulbres VI - Moon 12
Pelille VII - Moon 3
Ruerrotta IV - Moon 4

Sinq Laison (1)

Otou V - Moon 1

Verge Vendor (1)

Costolle IV - Moon 1
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#22 - 2012-01-07 06:38:02 UTC
Jarnis McPieksu wrote:

Holding space has nothing to do with moon mining. Moon is mined by whoever has a POS there. One of the largest Technetium moon holder (Pandemic Legion) holds no 0.0 sov - they still have POSes on a lot of moons around New Eden. They simply took them and are willing to take on anyone who would challenge the fact that those POSes are on those moons.



I mentioned that earlier, but it seems PL went and grabbed a half dozen stations in December.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-01-07 06:44:09 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Jarnis McPieksu wrote:

Holding space has nothing to do with moon mining. Moon is mined by whoever has a POS there. One of the largest Technetium moon holder (Pandemic Legion) holds no 0.0 sov - they still have POSes on a lot of moons around New Eden. They simply took them and are willing to take on anyone who would challenge the fact that those POSes are on those moons.



I mentioned that earlier, but it seems PL went and grabbed a half dozen stations in December.


Hmm, well those are still not in any way related to their moon miner POS network :)
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#24 - 2012-01-07 06:59:56 UTC
Jarnis McPieksu wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Jarnis McPieksu wrote:

Holding space has nothing to do with moon mining. Moon is mined by whoever has a POS there. One of the largest Technetium moon holder (Pandemic Legion) holds no 0.0 sov - they still have POSes on a lot of moons around New Eden. They simply took them and are willing to take on anyone who would challenge the fact that those POSes are on those moons.



I mentioned that earlier, but it seems PL went and grabbed a half dozen stations in December.


Hmm, well those are still not in any way related to their moon miner POS network :)


But they managed to troll all of us who've been saying they're not a SOV holding alliance. Pirate

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-01-07 09:52:43 UTC
I hereby admit I was trolled by PL. Oh the dishonor... Roll
phalanx warriorll
Death and Taxes Incorporated.
Two Vargurs one Hole
#26 - 2012-01-07 21:08:46 UTC
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!. you ppl are really stupid lol. completely avoid the fact of what i said, and try and twist it into something else. well since nothing but a bunch of sov holding whores has posted. guess we had better just do what they say. since they have missed the point entirely. but it obvious that they dont want anything to change since they wouldnt have all the power they currently hold. and for the record, when did i say anythign about me or my corp wanting to occupy a ******* tech moon. your putting words in my mouth so to speak. and i wont tolerate that from any **** bag in a game or in real life and i dont care if ccp does anything with this thread. but your just making my point about trolling. your making assumptions, well that makes an ass outta you and me and its the mother of all **** ups but seriously. are you that pathetic that you have to try and twist things to turn it into something else other then what its intended for???
phalanx warriorll
Death and Taxes Incorporated.
Two Vargurs one Hole
#27 - 2012-01-07 21:11:20 UTC
i should also point out that i'm not specifying any particular moon but all moons in .4 systems. which again the sov holding whores have attempted to shift the focus of this thread off of.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#28 - 2012-01-07 21:29:23 UTC
Why not just open up ALL moons ? Across all Sec Levels ?

Lord knows the High Sec moons wouldn't be all that great, but it would at least be something else to do .......

.....especially after the Great PI Nerf of 2011.

THAT seriously has not set well with me at ALL.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#29 - 2012-01-07 21:30:41 UTC
phalanx warriorll wrote:
i've been playing eve for a bit and have noticed that there is ALOT of unused resorces in low sec especially .4 systems. this is due to the fact that you cannot use moon miners in .4 systems. with dust 514 on the brink, i think its about time that the eve universe gets the chance to fully utilize all the availible resources from low/null sec. it will add a greater depth to the sandbox, and will increase combat in low sec systems that have worth while resources that can be gathered.



I apparently gave you your first 'Like'.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
#30 - 2012-01-08 06:24:04 UTC
if they are going to allow alliances to join faction war. we should be able to get at .4 systems moons.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#31 - 2012-01-08 20:33:13 UTC
phalanx warriorll wrote:
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!. you ppl are really stupid lol. completely avoid the fact of what i said, and try and twist it into something else. well since nothing but a bunch of sov holding whores has posted. guess we had better just do what they say. since they have missed the point entirely. but it obvious that they dont want anything to change since they wouldnt have all the power they currently hold. and for the record, when did i say anythign about me or my corp wanting to occupy a ******* tech moon. your putting words in my mouth so to speak. and i wont tolerate that from any **** bag in a game or in real life and i dont care if ccp does anything with this thread. but your just making my point about trolling. your making assumptions, well that makes an ass outta you and me and its the mother of all **** ups but seriously. are you that pathetic that you have to try and twist things to turn it into something else other then what its intended for???


If we missed your point, please enlighten us about what your point is.

You say you want all moons in 0.4 space opened up for mining.

We ask "Why?"

I'd love if you could toss in some reasonable capitalization, spelling, grammar, and learn to avoid the damn filter if you're gonna curse.

You see some resources that can't be got. That means they aren't resources. They're scenery. And that keeps the big boys out of the 0.4 space kiddy pool of POS ownership.


FYI: Tech, Dyspro, and Neodymium are the only ones that remotely make a profit over fuel costs.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
#32 - 2012-01-09 01:05:12 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
phalanx warriorll wrote:
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!. you ppl are really stupid lol. completely avoid the fact of what i said, and try and twist it into something else. well since nothing but a bunch of sov holding whores has posted. guess we had better just do what they say. since they have missed the point entirely. but it obvious that they dont want anything to change since they wouldnt have all the power they currently hold. and for the record, when did i say anythign about me or my corp wanting to occupy a ******* tech moon. your putting words in my mouth so to speak. and i wont tolerate that from any **** bag in a game or in real life and i dont care if ccp does anything with this thread. but your just making my point about trolling. your making assumptions, well that makes an ass outta you and me and its the mother of all **** ups but seriously. are you that pathetic that you have to try and twist things to turn it into something else other then what its intended for???


If we missed your point, please enlighten us about what your point is.

You say you want all moons in 0.4 space opened up for mining.

We ask "Why?"

I'd love if you could toss in some reasonable capitalization, spelling, grammar, and learn to avoid the damn filter if you're gonna curse.

You see some resources that can't be got. That means they aren't resources. They're scenery. And that keeps the big boys out of the 0.4 space kiddy pool of POS ownership.


FYI: Tech, Dyspro, and Neodymium are the only ones that remotely make a profit over fuel costs.


you seem new to this. ever done moon reactions?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#33 - 2012-01-09 03:20:21 UTC
Red Teufel wrote:

you seem new to this. ever done moon reactions?


You seem new to this. Ever read a whole thread?

OP was talking about the unusable materials on the moon. I suggested that he mine or do reactions in 0.3 or lower systems, since the mechanics are identical (except for being able to moon mine and react, ofc).


phalanx warriorll wrote:
ALOT of unused resorces in low sec especially .4 systems.


phalanx warriorll wrote:
my point has nothing to do with making t2 stuff, or reactions.




PS. I don't think you're incapable of reading threads, Red. In fact, in that you understand punctuation and that reactions are very nice, I consider you several steps above the average forum user.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
ovenproofjet
Gallifrey Industries
#34 - 2012-01-12 11:56:15 UTC
Bring moon mining in line with PI....certainly the more sensible option from an :imersion: point of view. At the end of the day, we're already "mining" planets on their surfaces and they have much higher gravity (ie the main boundary to exploitation) than moons

Apply the most/all of the same mechanics as applicable. Have the T2 components constructable like PI good are on moons. Have the good transfer through the moons respective Customs office.

Only problem would be coming up with moon "types" though in fairness a quick look around our own Solar system sorts that out....imagine mining Saturns moon Titan for example

Seems like the most pragmatic approach to "fixing" moons that I can see. Provides a method that requires more interaction, can have more people involved and gets rid of another function of the frankly god awful POS tower.

Not that this idea will ever carry any weight at CCP cos the CSM will poo poo over it as it will MASSIVELY upset the balance of power in 0.0
Jack Dant
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
#35 - 2012-01-12 12:14:40 UTC
Personally, I don't see understand why 0.4 is treated as second rate lowsec for some stuff. Up until a year or so ago, you still couldn't anchor towers there without standings and charters. I think you still can't delegate carrier fighters in 0.4.

Opening up the 0.4 moons wouldn't really change much. It would inject some extra supply to a few valuable moon minerals, maybe bring some prices down a bit. But they would be owned by the same people as current 0.0-0.3 moons.

All in all, I don't see any reason to not allow moon mining and reactions in 0.4, but no particular reason to do it either.

What happens in lowsec, stays in lowsec, lowering the barrier to entry to lowsec PVP: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476644&#post476644
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-01-12 18:48:55 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Why not just open up ALL moons ? Across all Sec Levels ?

Lord knows the High Sec moons wouldn't be all that great, but it would at least be something else to do .......

.....especially after the Great PI Nerf of 2011.

THAT seriously has not set well with me at ALL.


PI nerf? What PI nerf? Profits have gone through the roof mate ;-)
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-01-12 18:54:53 UTC
Ok lets look at your proposal bit by bit.

phalanx warriorll wrote:
i've been playing eve for a bit and have noticed that there is ALOT of unused resorces in low sec especially .4 systems. this is due to the fact that you cannot use moon miners in .4 systems.


That's a fact.

phalanx warriorll wrote:
its about time that the eve universe gets the chance to fully utilize all the availible resources from low/null sec. it will add a greater depth to the sandbox


I'm not going to dispute this but I do fail to see how more of the same adds greater depth. More stuff yes, but not greater depth.

phalanx warriorll wrote:
and will increase combat in low sec systems that have worth while resources that can be gathered.


This is highly unlikely. There are less people willing to fight for moons than you think (mostly because the fights tend to be pretty one sided). The ones who are willing to fight for them are already doing so in lowsec 0.1 - 0.3 the ones who are not doing so won't be doing it in 0.4 either (though they might put up a quick POS and pray no one notices... this will work, but only for a very limited time before it goes BOOM)

After a month or two you'd have the same tranquil situation which you have now... Lowsec really is a very peaceful place.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#38 - 2012-01-12 19:48:11 UTC
Jack Dant wrote:

Opening up the 0.4 moons wouldn't really change much. It would inject some extra supply to a few valuable moon minerals, maybe bring some prices down a bit. But they would be owned by the same people as current 0.0-0.3 moons.


Increased supply would be a good reason to do it. Even if the money lines the same pockets as now, there lies the potential of the cartel developing fracture lines - or someone managing to pull off their own unnoticed tech moon.
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-01-12 21:34:06 UTC
Scrapyard Bob wrote:
Jack Dant wrote:

Opening up the 0.4 moons wouldn't really change much. It would inject some extra supply to a few valuable moon minerals, maybe bring some prices down a bit. But they would be owned by the same people as current 0.0-0.3 moons.


Increased supply would be a good reason to do it. Even if the money lines the same pockets as now, there lies the potential of the cartel developing fracture lines - or someone managing to pull off their own unnoticed tech moon.


Considering that such a prize nets 7+ bil a month, I doubt there would be such a thing. Even an announcement that a future patch would enable 0.4 moon mining would drive a frenzy of moon scanning and towers would squat the spots well in advance. Every 0.4 moon of any real value would be logged, cataloged and probably already divvied up by major powers before a patch would go live (assumption: 0.4 moon contents are not reseeded on patch).
phalanx warriorll
Death and Taxes Incorporated.
Two Vargurs one Hole
#40 - 2012-01-19 19:24:37 UTC
as red pointed out that with alliances being able to join faction warfare that would be the perfect time for ccp to open up the .4 system moons to moon mining. why the hell not it will change things. ccp should set it up so that only alliances/corps in faction warfare can hold and mine moons in .4 systems. that would make things very interesting. and there would still be power plays and fighting for these resources.
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