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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#2461 - 2012-01-12 01:09:47 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:

Well, we certainly would had saved a lot of posting if that same words had been said on October 27th. What?

And i would had saved myself 80+ euros (6 months of suscrption for my alt). And a PLEX i bought for this account, my main for the last 3 years. Lol

Because without WiS, and without new solo gameplay, and without new casual gameplay, and without new hisec gameplay, and without an affordable NEx, I just can't interest myself into the gameplay that has failed to interest me for three years... nullsec chore gameplay.P


CCP has no interest at having you not spend 80+ euros on their game.

Also, if you played for 3 years you should know how they deal with new features (see FW, PI...): big fuss, Fanfest shows with huge effects that leave to intend thay will change the gaming world, then they get delivered half done and let to rot.
Flamespar
WarRavens
#2462 - 2012-01-12 01:19:21 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

Also, if you played for 3 years you should know how they deal with new features (see FW, PI...): big fuss, Fanfest shows with huge effects that leave to intend thay will change the gaming world, then they get delivered half done and let to rot.


Quoted as the sad truth.

This fanfest may be a make or break for a lot of people. If CCP get on the stage, and make all sorts of promises (again) and don't deliver (again), I don't think many people will put up with it.

The main thing that I really hate about what CCP has done, is that it's turning me into yet another bitter vet, and I used to love this game.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#2463 - 2012-01-12 01:52:39 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
CCP Guard wrote:
Jill Xelitras wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.

"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
Issler



No Hilmar, we don't want more spaceships. We want you to fix the current ones ! You may even want to release the promised ones.

And then we want you to walk over to your marketing department and tell them to stop telling everybody that "walking in stations" has been finally released until it really is ready to be released on TQ.

I saw Torfi walking a character through a bar and playing a cool game ... Now go and make that happen ! That's when you should start marketing WIS.

Also, I'm very surprised (although I shouldn't be) that it took you until NOW to figure out that PI could be used to make low-sec interesting ... really CCP ? After all those years ?

I wonder why I keep paying.


"More spaceships" in this context means more focus on the spaceship part of the game, the core gameplay. So it's not to be taken 100% literally :). There have been a lot of fixes and tweaks lately and there are more coming.

C'mon man...if you don't have any information that you are able to or allowed to divulge to us on the core issue of this thread then say so. At least a "I am sorry but I have no more information on the future of WiS at this time." is all it would take to keep people from getting annoyed with a reply that really only applies to one comment in a thread over 120 pages long that doesn't even really relate to the topic at hand.

It is nice to know there are more bug fixes and tweaks coming though. I like hearing that info too. You are one of the better devs that actually respond on the forums Guard. Keep up the good work...but please...get us more info on the future plans of WiS if possible.


There is actually no new information to be had at this time for the reason that we haven't decided the next steps for WiS yet. The summer expansion will be war themed as has been stated by our new Senior Producer, and will continue to enhance EVE core gameplay. What happens then is not certain at this point but we'll be sure to let you guys in on it as soon as we can (when we know).

The tech for 3d character environments is there for the most part and we haven't decided to drop any future plans for it or anything like that. There's plenty of ideas floating around and lots of possibilities.

So nothing has changed from the early stages of this thread really. Sorry to not have more juicy details at this time.




Finally, thank you Guard
Answer as expected
it seems hard for CCP to make decisions ,about their own product.
Do i like the answer ? no of course not,but it seems we have to deal with this.



R.S.I2014

Razin
The Scope
#2464 - 2012-01-12 02:06:11 UTC
CCP Phantom wrote:

We all love EVE and it is pretty sure that there are so many good ways for expansion. As far as I understand it is less about if but when we are going to do all these things.

I guess the same but less verbose answer provided on October 15, 2011, on page 12 of this thread shows that the latest answer will be forgotten in a few pages and the cybering mafia will continue to beotch and moan about being ignored by CCP.
Flamespar
WarRavens
#2465 - 2012-01-12 02:27:57 UTC
Razin wrote:
CCP Phantom wrote:

We all love EVE and it is pretty sure that there are so many good ways for expansion. As far as I understand it is less about if but when we are going to do all these things.

I guess the same but less verbose answer provided on October 15, 2011, on page 12 of this thread shows that the latest answer will be forgotten in a few pages and the cybering mafia will continue to beotch and moan about being ignored by CCP.


Nah. I just think people are going to stop giving a s**t about this game and find something else to play.
Razin
The Scope
#2466 - 2012-01-12 02:38:16 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
Razin wrote:
CCP Phantom wrote:

We all love EVE and it is pretty sure that there are so many good ways for expansion. As far as I understand it is less about if but when we are going to do all these things.

I guess the same but less verbose answer provided on October 15, 2011, on page 12 of this thread shows that the latest answer will be forgotten in a few pages and the cybering mafia will continue to beotch and moan about being ignored by CCP.


Nah. I just think people are going to stop giving a s**t about this game and find something else to play.

Don't let the door hit you on the arse on your way out.
Flamespar
WarRavens
#2467 - 2012-01-12 02:41:17 UTC
Razin wrote:

Don't let the door hit you on the arse on your way out.


Impossible, because the door won't open for the next 2 years. Ha!
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2468 - 2012-01-12 05:20:55 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Not to mention that some of us have been scattering suggestions all over this thread & other ones.


That's exactly the problem, there is a specific forum area for doing that, and for some reason you and others incorrectly think EVE GD is the correct place. Scattering suggestions all over the place isn't helping you or CCP. If you or anyone else wants things to remain on topic for making WIS feature suggestions, try keeping it all in one thread in the correct forum area. By posting the same stuff here in GD over and over, you are just begging to get trolled over and over.


Actually the same can be said about you and all the other Anti-WiS posters in this thread. This thread was originally made to show support for continued WiS development and to get clarification on future plans. Nowhere did it say in the OP - let's have a discussion whether WiS should or should not be a part of Eve. Players that are not in favor of WiS content shouldn't have posted in this thread.


Doc Fury wrote:
This thread is full of players including the OP switching from demanding answers to calling it a feature discussion. As was already admitted, there are pages and pages of feature suggestions, "sprinkled" throughout.

Try to justify this abomination of a troll-bait thread however you wish, it won't change anything other than the level of amusement you are providing others at your own expense and dignity (assuming you have any).


The only abomination I see here is you trying to justify the posting of off topic troll remarks intended to berate and insult others while trying to derail this thread. This is one of the major problems that has been plaguing these forums for a long time and over time will eventually lead to the downfall of this game.


CCP Guard wrote:
There is actually no new information to be had at this time for the reason that we haven't decided the next steps for WiS yet. The summer expansion will be war themed as has been stated by our new Senior Producer, and will continue to enhance EVE core gameplay. What happens then is not certain at this point but we'll be sure to let you guys in on it as soon as we can (when we know).

The tech for 3d character environments is there for the most part and we haven't decided to drop any future plans for it or anything like that. There's plenty of ideas floating around and lots of possibilities.

So nothing has changed from the early stages of this thread really. Sorry to not have more juicy details at this time.


Nice politically correct answer, doesn't divulge any new information and just reaffirms what everyone already knows.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2469 - 2012-01-12 06:16:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
irrelevant stuff.


This thread was never really about showing support it was about demanding immediate answers from CCP.. The thread title was even changed by the OP recently when it was pointed out repeatedly that CCP already answered the question. The minute this thread was posted in GD, it was fair game for everybody.

Had you read any of my earlier posts you would know I am not anti-WIS but I am definitely against pro-WIS players whining repeatedly for answers when they have already been provided. If anything, I have tried to get you to post in the appropriate forum areas where you would not get trolled.

Sometimes someone has to be the messenger when common sense is being clouded by hysteria.

CCP promises a lot of stuff. Sometimes they make good on their promises, sometimes they don't because they often try to do things that are not possible within a time-frame that meets general player expectations. If you have been playing for more than a couple of years, you probably already knew this.

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#2470 - 2012-01-12 16:42:07 UTC  |  Edited by: oldbutfeelingyoung
Doc Fury wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
irrelevant stuff.


This thread was never really about showing support it was about demanding immediate answers from CCP.. The thread title was even changed by the OP recently when it was pointed out repeatedly that CCP already answered the question. The minute this thread was posted in GD, it was fair game for everybody.

Had you read any of my earlier posts you would know I am not anti-WIS but I am definitely against pro-WIS players whining repeatedly for answers when they have already been provided. If anything, I have tried to get you to post in the appropriate forum areas where you would not get trolled.

Sometimes someone has to be the messenger when common sense is being clouded by hysteria.

CCP promises a lot of stuff. Sometimes they make good on their promises, sometimes they don't because they often try to do things that are not possible within a time-frame that meets general player expectations. If you have been playing for more than a couple of years, you probably already knew this.


So if we had posted in those forums ,we had a reply from CCP within 1 day,1 week ,1 month or never?


So tell me what is allowed to be discussed in general discussion according to somebody who thinks ,he has common sense

R.S.I2014

CCP Guard
C C P
C C P Alliance
#2471 - 2012-01-12 17:13:18 UTC
To add a little to what I wrote yesterday.

I spoke with some people today and have some more clarity on this (althought not a ton more). It's likely that there will continue to be "some work" done on this front in the short term, while we iron out the long term plans. There are some assets nearly finished anyway and they will probably make their way on TQ in the months to come, things of the visual nature (WiSual? Lol?), decorative things that can be finalized with relatively light effort while we put most of our weight on the other foot. But I think we might still be able to put out some stuff that you guys will enjoy.

The vision for 3d characters as part of the complete sci fi simulator isn´t dead, it's just going to be done differently than the way we were doing it before last summer happened, and it's probably going to take some time to materialize fully (no, I don't know how much time, sorry)

Sorry for being vague. I'm trying to tell you something, mostly that WiS is not completely on ice and forgotten, without making you think I'm promising any particular things that you might be thinking of, that might not be coming. Not in the short term at least.

If I had to write a tl;dr for this, it would probably be...nope, you know what...I'll let you guys write the tl;dr for me Blink

CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer | @CCP_Guard

Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2472 - 2012-01-12 17:19:52 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
To add a little to what I wrote yesterday.

I spoke with some people today and have some more clarity on this (althought not a ton more). It's likely that there will continue to be "some work" done on this front in the short term, while we iron out the long term plans. There are some assets nearly finished anyway and they will probably make their way on TQ in the months to come, things of the visual nature (WiSual? Lol?), decorative things that can be finalized with relatively light effort while we put most of our weight on the other foot. But I think we might still be able to put out some stuff that you guys will enjoy.

The vision for 3d characters as part of the complete sci fi simulator isn´t dead, it's just going to be done differently than the way we were doing it before last summer happened, and it's probably going to take some time to materialize fully (no, I don't know how much time, sorry)

Sorry for being vague. I'm trying to tell you something, mostly that WiS is not completely on ice and forgotten, without making you think I'm promising any particular things that you might be thinking of, that might not be coming. Not in the short term at least.

If I had to write a tl;dr for this, it would probably be...nope, you know what...I'll let you guys write the tl;dr for me Blink


I like what you say... now have some pizza :)

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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#2473 - 2012-01-12 17:26:05 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
To add a little to what I wrote yesterday.

I spoke with some people today and have some more clarity on this (althought not a ton more). It's likely that there will continue to be "some work" done on this front in the short term, while we iron out the long term plans. There are some assets nearly finished anyway and they will probably make their way on TQ in the months to come, things of the visual nature (WiSual? Lol?), decorative things that can be finalized with relatively light effort while we put most of our weight on the other foot. But I think we might still be able to put out some stuff that you guys will enjoy.

The vision for 3d characters as part of the complete sci fi simulator isn´t dead, it's just going to be done differently than the way we were doing it before last summer happened, and it's probably going to take some time to materialize fully (no, I don't know how much time, sorry)

Sorry for being vague. I'm trying to tell you something, mostly that WiS is not completely on ice and forgotten, without making you think I'm promising any particular things that you might be thinking of, that might not be coming. Not in the short term at least.

If I had to write a tl;dr for this, it would probably be...nope, you know what...I'll let you guys write the tl;dr for me Blink


thank you Guard

working on stuff that is already there,can,t hurt the important FISpart of this game




R.S.I2014

Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#2474 - 2012-01-12 17:35:10 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
To add a little to what I wrote yesterday.

I spoke with some people today and have some more clarity on this (althought not a ton more). It's likely that there will continue to be "some work" done on this front in the short term, while we iron out the long term plans. There are some assets nearly finished anyway and they will probably make their way on TQ in the months to come, things of the visual nature (WiSual? Lol?), decorative things that can be finalized with relatively light effort while we put most of our weight on the other foot. But I think we might still be able to put out some stuff that you guys will enjoy.

The vision for 3d characters as part of the complete sci fi simulator isn´t dead, it's just going to be done differently than the way we were doing it before last summer happened, and it's probably going to take some time to materialize fully (no, I don't know how much time, sorry)

Sorry for being vague. I'm trying to tell you something, mostly that WiS is not completely on ice and forgotten, without making you think I'm promising any particular things that you might be thinking of, that might not be coming. Not in the short term at least.

If I had to write a tl;dr for this, it would probably be...nope, you know what...I'll let you guys write the tl;dr for me Blink

WiS is the new COSMOS, thanks for the clarification.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2475 - 2012-01-12 17:49:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:


So if we had posted in those forums ,we had a reply from CCP within 1 day,1 week ,1 month or never?



That's completely up to CCP and you know it. It also depends on what you are posting. Honey catches more flies then vinegar obviously. Crying and stamping your feet and making threats as a mob would discourage anyone in authority from trying to make appeasement. This applies to both sides of this issue.

oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:

So tell me what is allowed to be discussed in general discussion according to somebody who thinks ,he has common sense


When you want to suggest features with the intention of CCP seeing and possibly acting on them, that's exactly why they setup a Feature and Ideas forum area so they don't have to try to pick though posts sprinkled through various threads. When you want to complain about being ignored by CCP or similar, and you don't want to get trolled/flamed and etc, it's best if you take that to the CSM in the forum specifically setup for that purpose. While you might think the CSM is pointless or that they have a differing agenda than you, if you don't use the avenues CCP provides for player feedback and representation, you are just derailing the process and leaving everything up to the CSM without them hearing and/or addressing your feedback.

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Xuko Nuki
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2476 - 2012-01-12 17:55:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Xuko Nuki
YAY

(it's not dead)
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#2477 - 2012-01-12 18:00:45 UTC  |  Edited by: oldbutfeelingyoung
Doc Fury wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:


So if we had posted in those forums ,we had a reply from CCP within 1 day,1 week ,1 month or never?



That's completely up to CCP and you know it. It also depends on what you are posting. Honey catches more flies then vinegar obviously. Crying and stamping your feet and making threats as a mob would discourage anyone in authority from trying to make appeasement. This applies to both sides of this issue.


ii like honey

Doc Fury wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:




So tell me what is allowed to be discussed in general discussion according to somebody who thinks ,he has common sense


When you want to suggest features with the intention of CCP seeing and possibly acting on them, that's exactly why they setup a Feature and Ideas forum area so they don't have to try to pick though posts sprinkled through various threads. When you want to complain about being ignored by CCP or similar, and you don't want to get trolled/flamed and etc, it's best if you take that to the CSM in the forum specifically setup for that purpose. While you might think the CSM is pointless or that they have a differing agenda than you, if you don't use the avenues CCP provides for player feedback and representation, you are just derailing the process and leaving everything up to the CSM without them hearing and/or addressing your feedback.



didn,t answer my question

R.S.I2014

Raid'En
#2478 - 2012-01-12 18:44:17 UTC
WiS will stay as a mistake until you give us multiplayer environnement, don't forget that.
until we have gameplay for it, and so a reason to use incarna and not the hangar view, nothing will change

switching back to spaceships is good, to make us forget your mistake, but if you can finish the incarna feature, it will also works as an apology.
(but well be sure to have it FINISHED :P)

however, if you have to be careful about ressources used on the devteams, the more you talk about it will be the better, as for any stuff ;)
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2479 - 2012-01-12 18:57:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarnis McPieksu
WiS so far was a good tech framework.

It completely lacked gameplay. There was no reason for the captain's closet to exist in gameplay terms.

If you never get to add gameplay to it (and no, playing dress-up with microtransaction clothes is not "gameplay"), it will all be just another COSMOS. Heck, it will be worse than that. At least COSMOS has the functionality of allowing you to gain some standings and some unique junk mods while doing some unique missions.

I fully agree putting the main weight of :effort: behind spaceships because that's where EVE gameplay lies, but it would be terrible waste of all this current WiS code and assets if it is never put to use in gameplay.

Gameplay.

Look it up. Reason for people to walk around in a station. It obviously can't be absolutely mandatory, but you have already expanded EVE sideways with things like PI or Rigs/Salvage - additional bits of gameplay that expand what players can do in the game to gain ISK or items or other assets.

WiS needs something that would give it a reason to exist. I don't say I have the answers or ideas what that may be, but I would imagine you had some ideas before you started building this complex character modeling and rendering code, no?
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#2480 - 2012-01-12 19:24:29 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
To add a little to what I wrote yesterday.

I spoke with some people today and have some more clarity on this (althought not a ton more). It's likely that there will continue to be "some work" done on this front in the short term, while we iron out the long term plans. There are some assets nearly finished anyway and they will probably make their way on TQ in the months to come, things of the visual nature (WiSual? Lol?), decorative things that can be finalized with relatively light effort while we put most of our weight on the other foot. But I think we might still be able to put out some stuff that you guys will enjoy.

The vision for 3d characters as part of the complete sci fi simulator isn´t dead, it's just going to be done differently than the way we were doing it before last summer happened, and it's probably going to take some time to materialize fully (no, I don't know how much time, sorry)

Sorry for being vague. I'm trying to tell you something, mostly that WiS is not completely on ice and forgotten, without making you think I'm promising any particular things that you might be thinking of, that might not be coming. Not in the short term at least.

If I had to write a tl;dr for this, it would probably be...nope, you know what...I'll let you guys write the tl;dr for me Blink


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