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Now this sounds better, and is something different than "its ok if they cant rat".
Of course its important that any changes due to pve capabilities do not break the pvp balance, I agree with that. But that does not mean that pve capabilities do not matter.
Also in this case, any changes in ratting pay out would not help at all to fix the problem that caps cant be used for ratting anymore. It would only help players to get the same income, but thats not the point.
In my opinion carrier ratting is at a really great point on tranq. Its a high risk high reward acitvity, where the activity of the pilot has a huge impact on the outcome, and also gives incentive for other players since everyone likes carrier killmails. You have a very slow ship and expensive ship that takes a lot of skilltime, that everyone wants to blow up. The payout is related to how you fly (simply shooting one target after the other as works with every other ship results in mediocre payout). That should not go away, and simply giving rattles the same payout as carriers can make is no help at all, it would just break the economy since you could get huge payout without much risk or investment then.

So what has to be done is
1. check if carriers are really broken in pve (maybe I was very unlucky or did some stupid mistake? maybe higher payouts are possible)
2. see where the problem comes from
3. find a solution that does not break pvp.


Just a general note about damage:
I did not check the current dps numbers, but someone said 1.5-2k dps for a carrier earlier. Well thanny on tranq can do ~3.3k. And it was basically never used in pvp. fighter carriers were generally hardly ever used in pvp, so I am not sure how that is going to change if you lower the dps, make fighters more vulnerable, and take the support ability away.
Since carriers lost their support abilities, shouldnt they actually do more dps then before?

This gets especially strange if you look at the super damage which seems to be easily 10x carrier with still a good application to subcaps. Just look at the video that was linked earlier https://youtu.be/sgHZfXcl8Vg, most of the damage is from the heavies just one shotting everything with 18k dmg hits and a great range. And this is just counting the anti subcap heavies, the anti cap heavies do probably even more, how many seconds does a carrier survive against a supercarrier with anti capital heavies?
I do not really see a reason to bring a carrier right now, except maybe as an anti fighter platform.
But "bring as many super carriers as possible" seems to be a viable strategy since they can do everything. They have exceptional damage against capitals, they have exceptional damage against big subcaps, and as a bonus they still can do everything that a normal carrier can do, without sacrificing anything, due to the two squads of light fighters that they can launch additionally (and which get better bonus than a normal carrier). Wasnt one point of the capital rework to remove this n+1 supercap gameplay?

Can we please have SHARED HOTKEYS with drones for:

- Launch all Fighters
- All Fighters Engage Target (Primary Attack)
- All Fighters Return to HangarBay

That would make things a lot more intuitive. Controlling them via other Hotkeys/Mousebuttons than drones for their basic functions is very uncomfortable.

I could not find them in the market. Please give me a tip.

Thanks. Now i have to get it out of the Station and into my Avatar. Haha. But first i have to sleep. Fly safe, Chief.

That being true, active reps have historically been underpowered and should be much better than they are now. Capitals are mostly going to be fighting against other capitals and heavily damaging citadels. They need to have some survivability on the capital battlefield. Reliant on FAX'S yes, but there should still be a viable choice between active reps and buffer tank. Right now that choice does not exist.

I believe when I worked the numbers my cap armor rep ll only did 800dps worth of repair (skills might improve that some). But that won't even tank a single dreadnaught.

My moros got wtfbbq'd the other day. Even with siege and an ancillary rep, each cycle did barely a sliver of repair and wound up doing nothing to prolong the ships destruction. That's why buffer is the only choice, active reps are useless.

Reps should repair a good chunk of damage but at the cost of high cap drain to prevent perma repping.

To be fair, it's incredibly hard to balance stuff in a game this big on a test server. There are just so many variations in fleet sizes and compositions, markets, transportation, player behavior, etc.

Please increase the maximum lock range for all ships further, long range battleships and dreads especially can shoot even past 500km

anyone else notice that the Satyrs tend to just randomly take off sometimes? i was messin around ratting with a thanny since i couldnt find any other way to test them out (im nowhere near c-6 or whatever it is) after i cleared one site, i hit recall all drones, started to warp to the next site then i noticed my satyr squadron was still stuck in "returning" mode but couldnt see them anywhere. panned out and looked, and they were almost 700km away from the ship.

at this point, warp drive activated. this leads me to the next issue. if for whatever reason, you leave a squadron behind, they get stuck in returning mode. even if you dock up, you can not reload that tube. even logging off and back on, i couldnt reload that tube until after downtime the next day

I feel like it is intentional that Dreads active rep better than carriers and carriers buffer better than dreads and i dont find that difference to be a bad thing

Your wish is granted, Supers now have ability to equip high slot weapon that can shoot warp disruption bubbles and it has absurd range, you can lol gate camp with fleets in your super carrier at 300+ KM away from the fight.