Science & Industry

After reading the forums for a few weeks about people doing manufacturing and how many people want to jump right into ship manufacturing... then receiving suggestions that they start with something a little more manageable / smaller, I decided I'd get into manufacturing T1 / T2 Hybrid Turrets. Here's what' happened, first I looked at what skills I needed to make a T2 medium hybrid turret. Check. Got the skills, cool. Bought the BPO for the T1 with the intention of invention up to a T2. Then I looked at the components that go into it and I decided I'd try to manufacture as many of them as I can ( like 2 or 3 I think it is) so I get the BPO's for them as well. Cool I got the skills to manufacture those parts as well. I'm thinking this won't be too hard as only one of the components requires Moon materials and one takes PI mats.. the rest I can farm from missions / reprocessing from my other toons endeavors. So I find a open invention slot in a nearby system.. put my BPO in.. and realize it has to be a copy!? ok.. cool I'll just copy it. But I can't find any open copying slots ANYWHERE.. so now I'm stuck. I've got the mats to copy the BPO's, I've got the mats to Invent the BPC's but I can't find anywhere to do it. I thought I had researched this well enough before I bought the items but alas.. I had not obviously. So.. am I going to have to make a POS with my other toon and stick a lab of my own in there? What options do I have? How can a new indy toon make it if I can't find anywhere to copy my BPO's?

Edit: before anyone tells me how much of a tard I am for my lack of knowledge.. I'm kinda already feel like one after my unsuccessful attempts at this

Not really only two options. There are stations in low sec with copy slots or low que times. Also, there are many stations in high sec with low que times as well (1 or 2 days). I'm actually thinking of going to this instead of my pos because copies are more expensive than you think.

Check contracts for BPC.

Some nice people will even make copies for you or do research if you ask...

The same is true of your bpo. You usually need t1 versions to make t2 modules and want the best cost there to.

Don't get down on yourself for missing a step. You did a really good job. T2 production chains are some of the more complicated and nontransparent things in eve to figure out. If you haven't done so already, I strongly advise you make a spreadsheet. It'll help you get a better handle on what materials and what parts of the chain are dictating your production costs. It'll also help with easily and rapidly adjusting to the constantly changing material costs.

First, as far as your moon material related component BPOs, I'd look for a research corp that would be willing to do the research for you. If you hadn't already bought them, I'd suggest looking for ones already researched on contracts.

As far as copying your base item BPO's, you have a couple options. One is the obvious do it yourself and set up your own lab, but if you don't want to deal with it, you can try and find a research corp that will provide you a regular supply of max run BPC's. From there the invention and manufacturing slots are pretty easy to find in high sec.

Keep in mind that POS labs and manufacturing arrays have time bonuses that can have a rather significant impact on production time. Depending on what your expectations are for isk/time/line, this can impact the price you'll consider profitable. This is assuming yer trying to keep your lines running 24/7.

Compartmentalize each step and figure out the isk/hour/line. Copying, inventing, manufacturing, market order selling. Each one can be calculated independently as isk/hour/line.

This is true, but I never ever use a T1 BPO to make the T1 item needed to make T2 modules - it comes off the market, far more efficient use of the production slots that way, at least for my products.

^^ This.

If you get away from the more populated areas of space, there are copy queue times that are reasonable.
If you're willing to take the risk, getting a shuttle in/out of some of the sparcely populated areas of low-sec is actually very easy. Once you learn where to look, you can usually count on finding a low-sec station with zero wait time for copy slots.
If you don't like the idea of running your main to some of those fringe systems every few days, training time for a basic alt to keep the xerox machine running is only a few days. Hours if you're tight with the skill plan.

Others will tell you that w/o a POS you're sunk. Not true at all. A POS will allow you to deal in higher volume, but it'll take a much larger investment, will require much more work to manage, and for a single character is a very inefficiant way to go; esp. when you have yet to learn if you actually like doing it. Once you have a stable invention/manufacturing business that you enjoy and want to expand, then consider a POS. Until then, small business is good business.

I gave up on manufacturing T2 ANYthing around 3 months ago.

The TIME and trouble gathering enough resources, and transport of materials, and all that WAS NOT WORTH the patheticlly thin profit margin. 5,000,000 profits on a 92,000,000 Crane ? Yup......

BAD/horrendous ISK/hour ratio.

The freaking T2 BPO Hogs killed the Industry.

More money in High sec explore sites even.

Sad but true.

It's not always true, although for ships it is a lot of times. Modules are quite a bit better. Typically, I buy about 100M worth of materials, and carry 250M worth of product to Jita a couple times per week. (it works out to about 250-400k isk /hr per line, so about 2.5-4M isk/hr overall. Second char is almost ready for manufacturing duty, and the first can keep up with inventions for two manufacturers. I'm about half-busy with inventions as it is, and most of the time T2 BPCs stack up as long as I don't get lax with copying.

All at FIVE. What a waste of time. AND decryptors. The T2 BPO owners DO NOT NEED THEM !

AND the ones who own them are the ones who are in the large Alliances that OWN the Technitium Moons, so their Components are nearly FREE. You CANNOT win at that game...........