These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Crime & Punishment

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Macherial Bump

Author
Fred Kyong
Grollwerk
#61 - 2016-03-26 02:09:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Fred Kyong
I lost also an Orca to this guys in Uedama. I was not afk and was bumped several times in a freighter days before too. They do this constantly and with almost every big freighter Uedama gate, Juunigaishi gate and Sivala gate. They also blackmail pilots coming through to buy a permit.

Bumping is allowed by game mechanics. Harrasment and repeatedly bumping into your frighter or ship preventing you to get to the warpgate is not. You can file a petition but I did that too and there is no reponse so far.

If other ships bump into you I would be fine with it when the ganker receives an amount of damage to his ship (like in RL this would happend in a car crash too). Bumping 2-3 times into your ship the ganker should be destroyed. Then the game mechanics would be fine to me. Otherwise it is not.

If CCP not wants to listen and change the game mechanics soon, you still have the option to pull your monthly membership.
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#62 - 2016-03-26 02:27:19 UTC
Fred Kyong wrote:
I lost also an Orca to this guys in Uedama too. I was not afk and was bumped several times in a freighter before too.

Bumping is allowed by game mechanics. Harrasment and repeatedly bumping into your frighter or ship preventing you to get to the warpgate is not. You can file a petition but I did that too and there is no reponse so far.

If other ships bump into you I would be fine with the ganker receives an amount of damage to his ship (like in RL this would happend in a car crash too). Bumping 2-3 times into your ship the ganker should be destroyed.

If CCP not wants to listen and change the game mechanics soon, you have the option to pull your monthly membership.

Bumping is allowed if it ends up in either:
A- a dead ship
B- a ransom

Bumping for no reason whatsoever is illegal though.
But CODE. are playing by the rules Blink

Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester.

Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER

Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome

CCL Loyalist

Fred Kyong
Grollwerk
#63 - 2016-03-26 02:31:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Fred Kyong
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Fred Kyong wrote:
I lost also an Orca to this guys in Uedama too. I was not afk and was bumped several times in a freighter before too.

Bumping is allowed by game mechanics. Harrasment and repeatedly bumping into your frighter or ship preventing you to get to the warpgate is not. You can file a petition but I did that too and there is no reponse so far.

If other ships bump into you I would be fine with the ganker receives an amount of damage to his ship (like in RL this would happend in a car crash too). Bumping 2-3 times into your ship the ganker should be destroyed.

If CCP not wants to listen and change the game mechanics soon, you have the option to pull your monthly membership.

Bumping is allowed if it ends up in either:
A- a dead ship
B- a ransom

Bumping for no reason whatsoever is illegal though.
But CODE. are playing by the rules Blink


Bumping repeatedly? I did nowhere read that this is the rule. Only CCP will know and they can decide. It´s harrasment.

But as told. CCP has the right to make the rules. Pilots have the rights to pull their membership and play something else. I see too many complains of players and CCP just closed the topics down. Not much hope.
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#64 - 2016-03-26 03:09:36 UTC
Fred Kyong wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Fred Kyong wrote:
I lost also an Orca to this guys in Uedama too. I was not afk and was bumped several times in a freighter before too.

Bumping is allowed by game mechanics. Harrasment and repeatedly bumping into your frighter or ship preventing you to get to the warpgate is not. You can file a petition but I did that too and there is no reponse so far.

If other ships bump into you I would be fine with the ganker receives an amount of damage to his ship (like in RL this would happend in a car crash too). Bumping 2-3 times into your ship the ganker should be destroyed.

If CCP not wants to listen and change the game mechanics soon, you have the option to pull your monthly membership.

Bumping is allowed if it ends up in either:
A- a dead ship
B- a ransom

Bumping for no reason whatsoever is illegal though.
But CODE. are playing by the rules Blink


Bumping repeatedly? I did nowhere read that this is the rule. Only CCP will know and they can decide. It´s harrasment.

But as told. CCP has the right to make the rules. Pilots have the rights to pull their membership and play something else. I see too many complains of players and CCP just closed the topics down. Not much hope.

You haven't read what I said... At all... Go read it again, and get used to the idea that it's 100% within the game rules and that it's not against the EULA Blink
Now htfu, and if you decide to leave the game, I don't think any of us in C&P will care Lol

Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester.

Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER

Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome

CCL Loyalist

Fred Kyong
Grollwerk
#65 - 2016-03-26 03:29:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Fred Kyong
Dom Arkaral...
Now htfu, and if you decide to leave the game, I don't think any of us in C&P will care [:lol: wrote:


Thats a good business model :) When I would be your boss and I caught you in telling that customers I would fire you on the spot. Maybe the reason so many leave. Cause no one cares? :)

So, good luck with your attidude and respect towards paying members of the game.

My opinion again: Bumping only if the opposite ships takes an amount of damge. If not, it´s an exploit as of my definition cause it has no consequence for the aggressor, just for the pilot who gets repeatedly bumped.
Pix Severus
Empty You
#66 - 2016-03-26 03:37:23 UTC
Fred Kyong wrote:
I lost also an Orca to this guys in Uedama. I was not afk and was bumped several times in a freighter days before too. They do this constantly and with almost every big freighter Uedama gate, Juunigaishi gate and Sivala gate. They also blackmail pilots coming through to buy a permit.


I know this might seem a little "out there" maybe a bit wacky and unconventional, but have you tried.... not going through Uedama in a freighter?

I know, I know, it almost sounds too far-fetched, but it just. might. work. if someone crazy enough tries it.

MTU Hunter: Latest Entry - June 12 2017 - Vocal Local 5

MTU Hunting 101: Comprehensive Guide

Fred Kyong
Grollwerk
#67 - 2016-03-26 04:25:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Fred Kyong
Pix Severus wrote:
Fred Kyong wrote:
I lost also an Orca to this guys in Uedama. I was not afk and was bumped several times in a freighter days before too. They do this constantly and with almost every big freighter Uedama gate, Juunigaishi gate and Sivala gate. They also blackmail pilots coming through to buy a permit.


I know this might seem a little "out there" maybe a bit wacky and unconventional, but have you tried.... not going through Uedama in a freighter?

I know, I know, it almost sounds too far-fetched, but it just. might. work. if someone crazy enough tries it.



Sure. I can also not play the game at all :) As told, all options possible and CCP has all rights to set the rules.

Odd to me is, why so many players complain about the game mechanics then. Something is just not right then. Highsec is and should be safe. If Concord is to weak or slow, there is something wrong too. Game mechanics is just fail then.
Fred Kyong
Grollwerk
#68 - 2016-03-26 04:37:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Fred Kyong
.del. double
Black Pedro
Mine.
#69 - 2016-03-26 06:10:36 UTC
Fred Kyong wrote:
Odd to me is, why so many players complain about the game mechanics then. Something is just not right then. Highsec is and should be safe. If Concord is to weak or slow, there is something wrong too. Game mechanics is just fail then.
I'm curious, why do you think CONCORD exists at all? If highsec is suppose to be safe, why do you think CCP didn't just turn off the ability to use offensive modules against un-flagged targets and skip coding all that CONCORD nonsense?

Actually, you don't have to answer that. Maybe you should just read the New Pilot FAQ and see what it says about this game. If you have a sort attention span, I suggest you start at Chapter 7 and go from there.
Ozzie Udan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#70 - 2016-03-26 06:10:57 UTC
Fred Kyong wrote:
Pix Severus wrote:
Fred Kyong wrote:
I lost also an Orca to this guys in Uedama. I was not afk and was bumped several times in a freighter days before too. They do this constantly and with almost every big freighter Uedama gate, Juunigaishi gate and Sivala gate. They also blackmail pilots coming through to buy a permit.


I know this might seem a little "out there" maybe a bit wacky and unconventional, but have you tried.... not going through Uedama in a freighter?

I know, I know, it almost sounds too far-fetched, but it just. might. work. if someone crazy enough tries it.



Sure. I can also not play the game at all :) As told, all options possible and CCP has all rights to set the rules.

Odd to me is, why so many players complain about the game mechanics then. Something is just not right then. Highsec is and should be fine . If Concord is to weak or slow, there is something wrong too. Game mechanics is just fail then.


EvE is a sandbox, it's the players that make the rules and the type of play, working with in a world ccp has made
Concord do their job very well, break the law and you die, faster in a 0.9 than a 0.5 but remember the next one down from a 0.5 in low sec, then almost anything goes.

As for bumpers do we not have the task to stop this, they are pirates moving your ship away from gate guns and faction police, ready for a gank fleet to kill you for your cargo.

What's odd to me , why so many players complain, and do very little within in the game to stop it, other than buy a new freighter and do it again, after all this time fighting gankers I still see people Auto-pilot though Uedama with 30 + gank fleets flying around.
People need to work together, be in corps that have other people online at the same time, do stuff together, eve is at it's best then.

Join me and make high sec a little bit safer, these days more people are helping AG, we have better chance of saving Ships and messing up ganks.

So many things to do in high sec, fight gankers, free poco from war dec'ing Merc, who use money to pay for endless wars, eve will always hunt out the weak, don't let it, stand together a fight for what you want Cool

A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head A painting of me

Fred Kyong
Grollwerk
#71 - 2016-03-26 07:13:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Fred Kyong
Ozzie Udan wrote:
Fred Kyong wrote:
Pix Severus wrote:
Fred Kyong wrote:
I lost also an Orca to this guys in Uedama. I was not afk and was bumped several times in a freighter days before too. They do this constantly and with almost every big freighter Uedama gate, Juunigaishi gate and Sivala gate. They also blackmail pilots coming through to buy a permit.


I know this might seem a little "out there" maybe a bit wacky and unconventional, but have you tried.... not going through Uedama in a freighter?

I know, I know, it almost sounds too far-fetched, but it just. might. work. if someone crazy enough tries it.



Sure. I can also not play the game at all :) As told, all options possible and CCP has all rights to set the rules.

Odd to me is, why so many players complain about the game mechanics then. Something is just not right then. Highsec is and should be fine . If Concord is to weak or slow, there is something wrong too. Game mechanics is just fail then.


EvE is a sandbox, it's the players that make the rules and the type of play, working with in a world ccp has made
Concord do their job very well, break the law and you die, faster in a 0.9 than a 0.5 but remember the next one down from a 0.5 in low sec, then almost anything goes.

As for bumpers do we not have the task to stop this, they are pirates moving your ship away from gate guns and faction police, ready for a gank fleet to kill you for your cargo.

What's odd to me , why so many players complain, and do very little within in the game to stop it, other than buy a new freighter and do it again, after all this time fighting gankers I still see people Auto-pilot though Uedama with 30 + gank fleets flying around.
People need to work together, be in corps that have other people online at the same time, do stuff together, eve is at it's best then.

Join me and make high sec a little bit safer, these days more people are helping AG, we have better chance of saving Ships and messing up ganks.

So many things to do in high sec, fight gankers, free poco from war dec'ing Merc, who use money to pay for endless wars, eve will always hunt out the weak, don't let it, stand together a fight for what you want Cool


Well, you could be right with your comment and its a good idea. But this should stay basicaly and be valid in lowsec and 0.0. Not in high. But I can agree that some gankers do just not have the balls to move to low or 0.0 instead they are taking advantage to continously commiting crimes in highsec.

If this happend from time to time- well. If it is organized, its harrasment in my eyes and unfair game play against other players in high sector cause CONCORD can not stop them long term. So the function CONCORD is trying to fullfill, is fail cause the gankers do not care about it. CONCORD just nags them in 0.5 for example, but does not purnish them if they can tank the damage and dock up again. Then rinse and repeat. Gate guns do basicly very less damage in 0.5.

Some dudes have a sec level of -10.0 and are still there ganking. They should not even be able to use gates anymore in high and just be cloned down to lowsec after they did hit -10.0. For me these are criminals without a jail. Not possible in real either. But just examples...

Also highsec is 1.0 to 0.5. To be "safe" and even for new players, highsec should all ! be 1.0. A universe for new players and settled corps. If someone goes low or 0.0, well then you can count on everything and you can do everything. I did always miss the clear line in the game and all just stays at BIG Sov, BIG Corps, BIG Fleets big, big, big...

Boring.
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#72 - 2016-03-26 10:57:53 UTC
Fred Kyong wrote:
Pix Severus wrote:
Fred Kyong wrote:
I lost also an Orca to this guys in Uedama. I was not afk and was bumped several times in a freighter days before too. They do this constantly and with almost every big freighter Uedama gate, Juunigaishi gate and Sivala gate. They also blackmail pilots coming through to buy a permit.


I know this might seem a little "out there" maybe a bit wacky and unconventional, but have you tried.... not going through Uedama in a freighter?

I know, I know, it almost sounds too far-fetched, but it just. might. work. if someone crazy enough tries it.



Sure. I can also not play the game at all :) As told, all options possible and CCP has all rights to set the rules.

Odd to me is, why so many players complain about the game mechanics then. Something is just not right then. Highsec is and should be safe. If Concord is to weak or slow, there is something wrong too. Game mechanics is just fail then.

You don't understand the game mechanics
CONCORD is not there to protect
CONCORD is there to punish

All those who keep complaining have no clue about pvp game mechanics because EVE is a "solo" game to them

Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester.

Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER

Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome

CCL Loyalist

Nofear Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#73 - 2016-03-26 11:53:03 UTC
Sabotaged wrote:



I feel like this game is very restrictive, encourages questionable mechanics and punishes you harshly for making mistakes.

Don't fly anything you can't afford to lose, I agree, but this goes back to reward vs risk right?


This game is absolutely the harshest - but that is what makes it one of the best, if not the best MMO out there. No other game gives you the heart thumping action of Eve. I've played since 2003 and even now I still get a rush when closing in for a kill, because you always know that there is a chance that you could get blobbed yourself!

In your case, I'm sure you know there are things you could have done so that you didn't lose your freighter...from the big long list of game related possibilities you listed you seem to know the game pretty well. A simple check with your webber if there was a macherial at the gate might have saved you? You also could have hauled most of that lot in a DST in half the time and 1/7 of the cost?

By the way, if it makes you feel any better, this was a total CODE fail - 7 Brutix at 70m each for a 35m drop..... ;-)

Don't give up - get even!

Alt and proud

Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2016-03-26 12:21:34 UTC
Nofear Alt wrote:

By the way, if it makes you feel any better, this was a total CODE fail - 7 Brutix at 70m each for a 35m drop..... ;-)


Suicide-Ganking on behalf of the New Order is not undertaken for pecuniary profit, Mr Alt. In my previous incarnation, I regularly suicided double T2 Catalysts for little or no loot, including my own scooped modules and leftover ammo.

It is players such as yourself who try to impose their own narrow measure of success within the Game upon those for whom these things matter little, if at all.

Ours is a grander vision, comprising a significantly more complex set of standards. These standards are set out clearly in The New Halaima Code of Conduct.

Seven Brutixes, did you say? They were effectively dead before they left the hangar; a fact well-known to and accepted by their brave and fearless pilots.

I'm afraid you'll have to do rather better in offering the OP whatever consolation exists outside The Code.


Nofear Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#75 - 2016-03-26 12:32:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Nofear Alt
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:
Nofear Alt wrote:

By the way, if it makes you feel any better, this was a total CODE fail - 7 Brutix at 70m each for a 35m drop..... ;-)


Suicide-Ganking on behalf of the New Order is not undertaken for pecuniary profit, Mr Alt. In my previous incarnation, I regularly suicided double T2 Catalysts for little or no loot, including my own scooped modules and leftover ammo.

It is players such as yourself who try to impose their own narrow measure of success within the Game upon those for whom these things matter little, if at all.

Ours is a grander vision, comprising a significantly more complex set of standards. These standards are set out clearly in The New Halaima Code of Conduct.

Seven Brutixes, did you say? They were effectively dead before they left the hangar; a fact well-known to and accepted by their brave and fearless pilots.

I'm afraid you'll have to do rather better in offering the OP whatever consolation exists outside The Code.




INCORRECT` - that might have been your motivation, but it isn't Codes

Alt and proud

Fred Kyong
Grollwerk
#76 - 2016-03-26 13:10:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Fred Kyong
How low you must get in Eve to be a bumper? Lol.

Whatever. This game mechanic in highsec has to be changed. Concord purnish? Then let all criminals with -10.0 sec standing respawn in lowsec and not be able to use warpgates into highsec anymore. Lowsec fits perfect for criminals and they will find victims who love to do this kind of game, all day long. A perfect playground! Thats purnishment.

If they dock againin highsec and the ganker CEO replaces their ships, there is no purnishment. Criminals to jail, not into new ships and in the same system.

Then the bumpers ship should be destroyed by second or third impact without possible insurance claim in highsec. What they could do in low or 0.0 is different. Thats purnishment! When I bump with my car into something my vehicle also get quite damaged. Why not a hull in space?
Nofear Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#77 - 2016-03-26 13:23:13 UTC
Fred Kyong wrote:
How low you must get in Eve to be a bumper? Lol.

Whatever. This game mechanic in highsec has to be changed. Concord purnish? Then let all criminals with -10.0 sec standing respawn in lowsec and not be able to use warpgates into highsec anymore. Lowsec fits perfect for criminals and they will find victims who love to do this kind of game. Thats purnishment. If they dock again and the ganker CEO replaces their ships, there is no purnishment.

Criminals to jail, not into new ships and in the same system.

Then the bumpers ship should be destroyed by second or third impact without possible insurance claim. Thats purnishment! When I bump with my car into something I also get damaged. Why not a hull in space?


The thing is, Eve isn't real life - so real life things don't have to happen in Eve. There has to be a balance between realistic stuff and making Eve a fun game. The bumping mechanic isn't really all that great but it, and CODE, do add something to hi sec to make things more exciting. You now have to think when travelling thru hi sec - and if you don't then ganking can be the result.

Remember, if you had a billion pounds you wouldn't head outside with it in your pocket even in the quietest safest leafy suburb - youd have guards, you would scout the route ahead, etc....so maybe do the same in Eve and you will be ok

Alt and proud

Black Pedro
Mine.
#78 - 2016-03-26 13:25:59 UTC
Nofear Alt wrote:
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:
Nofear Alt wrote:

By the way, if it makes you feel any better, this was a total CODE fail - 7 Brutix at 70m each for a 35m drop..... ;-)


Suicide-Ganking on behalf of the New Order is not undertaken for pecuniary profit, Mr Alt. In my previous incarnation, I regularly suicided double T2 Catalysts for little or no loot, including my own scooped modules and leftover ammo.

It is players such as yourself who try to impose their own narrow measure of success within the Game upon those for whom these things matter little, if at all.

Ours is a grander vision, comprising a significantly more complex set of standards. These standards are set out clearly in The New Halaima Code of Conduct.

Seven Brutixes, did you say? They were effectively dead before they left the hangar; a fact well-known to and accepted by their brave and fearless pilots.

I'm afraid you'll have to do rather better in offering the OP whatever consolation exists outside The Code.




INCORRECT` - that might have been your motivation, but it isn't Codes


Why to you say that? I mean, that's basically what it says in the organization's founding document, The New Halaima Code of Conduct.

They are pretty upfront about what they do and why they do it. There is no need to speculate.

Fred Kyong
Grollwerk
#79 - 2016-03-26 13:36:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Fred Kyong
Black Pedro wrote:
Nofear Alt wrote:
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:
Nofear Alt wrote:

By the way, if it makes you feel any better, this was a total CODE fail - 7 Brutix at 70m each for a 35m drop..... ;-)


Suicide-Ganking on behalf of the New Order is not undertaken for pecuniary profit, Mr Alt. In my previous incarnation, I regularly suicided double T2 Catalysts for little or no loot, including my own scooped modules and leftover ammo.

It is players such as yourself who try to impose their own narrow measure of success within the Game upon those for whom these things matter little, if at all.

Ours is a grander vision, comprising a significantly more complex set of standards. These standards are set out clearly in The New Halaima Code of Conduct.

Seven Brutixes, did you say? They were effectively dead before they left the hangar; a fact well-known to and accepted by their brave and fearless pilots.

I'm afraid you'll have to do rather better in offering the OP whatever consolation exists outside The Code.




INCORRECT` - that might have been your motivation, but it isn't Codes


Why to you say that? I mean, that's basically what it says in the organization's founding document, The New Halaima Code of Conduct.

They are pretty upfront about what they do and why they do it. There is no need to speculate.



The code is nonsense.

There is no "boting" anymore since multiboxing is not allowed anymore. What a crap.

I make up a code now:
From now on everyone has to change their underwear on a every day base. Because we want to check up on that everyone has to wear their underwear outside. Obay or get bumped! Changing underwear permit is 10 mill isk btw. because we want clean pants.

Ever heard about dictatorship? I want to play and not obay a dictator.

If multiboxer would still be in the icefields I would consider supporting these guys. Other that that: Lame!
Black Pedro
Mine.
#80 - 2016-03-26 13:50:44 UTC
Fred Kyong wrote:
The code is nonsense.

There is no "boting" anymore since multiboxing is illegal. What a crap.

I make up a code now:
From now on everyone has to change their underwear every day and so we can check up on that everyone has to wear their underwear outside. Obay or get bumped! Changing underwear permit a day is 10 mill isk btw.

Ever heard about dictatorship? I want to play and not obay a dictator.

If multiboxer would still be in the icefields I would support those guys for sure.

Personally, I think your "code" is a little silly (not to mention outside the actual game), but if you can enforce it, then more power to you.

Sadly, from all appearances you seem to just be another impotent carebear, more content to whine about how unfair the game is than to do anything about it in-game.

If you don't like something someone has said or how they are acting in New Eden, then go shoot them in the face as is tradition, not moan about how ineffectual you feel to these forums. We don't care.