EVE General Discussion

There is simply nothing good about 'free to play' to me. Companies who make f2p games love it because it makes them money. But it's the how of it all that sucks.

In a F2P game most people are free riders (or mostly free except for the odd impulse purchase) who do little or nothing for the game's community other than make any kind of local/global chat a cess pit. The money is made from abusing the few "whales" willing and capable (or sick enough) to pump outrageous amounts of real money into the game. It's borderline abusive, it's taking advantage of weak willed gamers the same way that intentionally planting a liquor store next to an AA meeting house would be.

"Pay for access only" games are much less immoral with regards to their relationship with their players. It's one of the things I loved about CCP all these years, with the exceptions of the greed is good fiasco (and more recently, skill trading), they seemed to be the more 'fair trade/ you get a good game, we get to make a decent living but we won't gouge you' type in character, as opposed to the 'squeeze every bit of money out of you that we can before we discard you and shut down all the servers of the game you like' character of other game companies I've had the displeasure of experiencing in my 23 years of this form of gaming.

Players that advocate EVE going more f2p to 'keep up with the times' are imo just responding to a kind of anxiety (better known as 'EVE is dying"). Anxiety caused by the idea that EVE (with it's outdated payment model) will die, thus taking with it all the time and money they 'invested' into it. That fear/desperation leads them to think that something that could (in theory at least) bring more players to the game and more money to CCP would prevent the dying, without considering that the same thing could be responsible for and even accelerate the actual death of the game (by pushing away the loyal customers who play the game because it's not f2p, while at the same time failing to attract enough f2p 'whales' to compensate).

they could introduce a account limit since there are people basicly paying for free with 60+ accounts all because others want quick cash and don't want to grind for it

i will say this, a limited SP char that had perma death, or eve on hard mode, might be fun.but no to f2p

I have removed the offending content, and those Quoting it.

You deleted a bit too much, since my post suggesting to use time vouchers for players who play EVE in a discontinuous way (as an alternative to F2P) was not trolling.

Just for the record, I suggested to sell 30 days time vouchers for 24 USD/EUR. A day from the voucher would be spent when login in and would allow to log in for free (not spending more days from the voucher) for 24 hours, after which any further login (or staying logged in) would spend another day from the voucher. This way a player could pay for the time as he uses it, rather than pay 30 days in advance and be stuck with spending them, playing or not playing.

I certainly wouldn't use this to train 10 catalyst alts and go on a ganking spree. Honestly, I wouldn't.

One huge problem with trying to create artificial barriers in EVE is that the player base have shown to be quite 'creative' before and it's to be expected in a game where activities/behaviour that would never be tolerated in other games are not only tolerated but seen as central to the game's atmosphere.

If one where to allow F2P under certain 'arbitrary conditions' I can almost guarantee that we would see a destructive form of cat & mouse game between the Dev's and the players that could be interesting but is not in the interest of either.

EVE:s main 'thing' compared to other MMO:s is that almost anything goes and that the economy is completely player driven and none of these factors would be possible in a F2P game ... out of all reasons to not go F2P I would say these factors are the most important.

ehh the op's still there.

Ehm, I think you're confusing F2P with P2W.

I was simply pointing out that if you extract and sell all of your monthly SP, you can basically afford a PLEX a month thus playing for free, without even having to grind ISK (except for maybe a 100 mil or so).

Quick answer to OP: Yes. Infinite free alts for ganks, cynos, etc is bad, m'kay?