EVE General Discussion

That wasnt really my point at all. My point was why have all the mechanics around highsec to stop people shooting others without consequence from concord for example, and then put a mechanic in that is so easy and cheap to get around said mechanics. it sort of makes no point in having them then.

The good old "Your playstyle is wrong" theory. To that I say: "No, you!"

Thing is - Wardecs have always been used in many different ways, killing random dudes in Highsec has been one of them for as long as I can think. And in fact - it does still work. If you declare 100 wars at once, that is. But this being a bit silly is kind of what this thread is about, isn't it?

You have no idea what you are talking about, do you? You think Marmite for example could seriously take on all the corps and alliances they are at war with? Let me tell you, they cannot. But they don't need to either - if their "targets" show up in force, they just dock up until they get bored and move on with their lives.

You don't know CCP very well, it appears. They rarely ever comment on anything in GD, and they are very very careful when doing so. The more difficult a problem is, the longer it will take for them to do anything about it. And that's rather understandable, considering how easy it is to break a mechanic completely, and how hard it is to fix afterwards.

I am fairly sure they know that war decs are kind of broken, but so are many other things in the game. At the moment, they are working to (potentially) fix capitals and POSes. Those are the "big ones", and they avoided the topic for years. So don't expect them to jump just because there's a 20 page thread in GD.

That all being said - decisions in Eve should have consequences. If you make a corp, the consequence should be that other people can attack it. If you declare a war, the consequence should be that your alleged "victim" might kick your ass.

There are so many things involved here that I cannot even start to come up with a solution. There's docking/station mechanics, there's the issue with the neutral logis, there's corp mechanics, how quickly you can leave or join a corp at will. There's pos mechanics. The mechanics of the wardec itself are of course part of the issue, but only a small one. It's ******* complicated and it certainly is way beyond "let's just raise the cost" or "limit the number of wardecs possible to an arbitrary number".

That wasn't an arbitrary decision by CCP, Concord are there to put in place a cost on aggression in hisec; the cost of a wardec is part of that cost on aggression as is the crimewatch mechanic. Hisec is, by design, as much an area for shooting people in the face as any other, wardecs and crimewatch being the mechanics that allow it to happen.

You can't play Eve without getting involved in PvP, that is the way the game is designed. If you believe otherwise then you are misinformed, CCP have explicitly stated as much; if you can't accept this simple fact then Eve is not the game you should be playing.

Codie... people aren't ganging up on you, they are trying to help you understand a fundamental design parameter of EVE. The issue is that as people we may not 'get it' until someone puts it the right way.

High Security space is about as safe as any city. There are cops to police the streets, but yet there is still crime. So, if it helps, call .9 to 1.0 HiSec a really well patrolled city, no real riff-raff but still some smart people bent on doing bad things that can get away with it. .7-.8 HiSec a little dirtier, some riff raff in the asteroid belts, but again those smart people doing bad things. .5-.6 HiSec is like a lower patrolled city, more crime, more mischief, some graffiti, gangs, but still, fairly safe because the police definitely have their zones of patrol.

Low Security is like a ghetto. Crime is rampant and the cops stick to their areas and leave the rest alone.

Null sec can either be the wild west or a calm rural community, depends on the locals and what they want... and who's in control of the space.

NONE of this has anything to do with War Decarlations. Those exist, officially anyway, as a way for corporations to have a shooting war for dominance in Hi and Low Security space without the Police interfering.

Some players have figured out that they can use War Declarations on small groups or individual players to be able to shoot them in Hi or Low Security space without the Cops doing anything about it. This particular use of War Decs has been the subject of a lot of angst in the game, and for better or worse, it exists as a legitimate play style.

Generally speaking any one can play the game and have fun any way they like. It's up to you to determine how you will deal with it or IF you can deal with it. If you can't, then EVE is not the game for you. If you think you can meet the challenge of EVE, and put your best against everyone else's then give it a go.

EVE is -entirely- PvP, there is no PvE. PvE in EVE is called that but it's actually resource/industrial PvP. You are always fighting a player, even when taking on NPC's, you can still have a player show up and make things miserable for you... or show up and help you. I've had both happen to me.

So, when you see people use the term, right or wrong, PvP, they are generally talking about ship to ship combat. PvE, in the way some other MMO's use it to describe unmolested by other Players; resource gathering (which there is still a PvP aspect to that since someone else could gather it before you did and you'd have to wait for it to repop) does not exist in EVE.

You need to always be aware of your surroundings and have your exit strategies in place when doing 'PvE' operations in EVE.

Not speaking on behalf of the Uni but just from my observation and experience. We don't want to hold any territory or assets other than what we need to be able to teach newbros. The Uni likes to provide the opportunity for people to experience and learn about all of the various areas of eve.

Newbros enter the Uni, learn, get some experience, teach other newbros, contribute, then move on to other corporations. Sometimes people really enjoy the teaching part and stay longer. Other times newbros enter, focus in their favorite area of the game, then go to a Corp with that orientation.

Wardecs are part of the game. We try to make each loss a learning experience. Sometimes the ongoing wardec situation reaches a critical mass leading to an aggressive and proactive response. There's a lot of great E-UNI alumni throughout eve to call on if needed.

However, I have experienced that we would really prefer to focus on teaching new players a good base set of game skills in order to prepare them to become a valuable member of their next corporation. That's why I joined the Uni and have very much enjoyed my time as a member.

Basically CCP gives you 2 unilateral tools in your highsec combat toolbox.
A hammer (wardec)
A shotgun (ganking)

No matter what your desired results, you only get to use those tools.

There are the also 'mutual aggression' mechanics, like dueling or inter-corp combat (if chosen).
I quickly proposed earlier in this thread an additional mechanic that allows you to choose to flag yourself as 'ready for combat' to anyone else who did the same. While I would have changed the term 'flag', I still stand by that proposal. Willing combatants should be easier to find for those who choose it.

edit, add a timer or a cool-down if needed. Basically an open-ended duel for available pilots.

Working on my overall proposal for F&I, taking more time to iron things out....

The whole purpose of wardecs is specifically to provide a way around CONCORD.

The one purpose of the mechanic is to enable legal fighting in highsec. The last time changes were made (2012), the price was rebalanced because the wardec mechanic wasn't being used enough.

Now it's used and it serves its purpose.

It's very easy as a defender to get out of a wardec (unless you own assets, its needs to be managed differently).