Intergalactic Summit

If you're able to make a difference, it's your responsibility. If you don't live up to that responsibility, there's no one else but you to blame. It's a rather common motif among the Imperials to perpetually blame everything outside their own door for their failure to live up to civilized standards, which is rather sad to see given the Empire's potential in New Eden. Oh no, it's the enemies without that prevent us from rising to the bare minimum of human ethics and principles. Someone didn't smile and inveigle themselves to us, so it's their fault we don't do what's right. We're alienated and thus we're not to blame.

Take some damned responsibility for once. Carry the suffering you cause on your own damn shoulders. If the burden is too heavy to bear, don't be the cause of it, rather than pathetic quips about the lies of a dead Empress that used the indoctrinated victims of the Empire as a weapon against her enemies.

In a village with one extremist, the headsman finds employment. In a village with two extremists, everybody dies.

And my post acknowledges the fact that there are, indeed, people in the Empire who wish to take responsibility for the slaves in the Empire. There are also those who wish to ignore their plight and simply gather more. There is a battle of ideas going on in the Empire right now, and it is far more important and impactful than the one you are fighting. Indeed, every time you win a battle, you undermine the real war being fought by people who actually matter. You already see you are wasting your time by fighting, so just give it up and let us handle it.

so what you're saying there, is that emancipated Minmatar are a huge burden on the Republic, one that it is incapable of carrying ?

Why can't they live as free people then ?

You really need to start reading the posts in a thread before you start cherrypicking one to respond to. I've responded to all your nonsense repeatedly already.

There is so much muddle in your post, Ms Vailatti, one hesitates to even try to engage such a though process. Certainly, your Neocom seems to have trouble with the word 'free' as it does not mean what your computer seems to think it means*.

I was particularly struck by the following gem of twisted logic and its special denouement (my emphasis).



Tell me, what exactly is the fate of a Minmatar slave who chooses to practice their own spirituality in the Empire in opposition to their reclaiming?

Further, I once shared your general view about the Republic's economic state of disrepair, primarily from a concern that Federation funds (and thus my constituents' taxes) were being poured down a black hole. After taking the time to actually visit and see the modern Republic, I am pleased to have changed my mind, as there is staggering progress in every area. Trade is booming between the Federation and the Republic - and the latter is doing pretty decent business with the Empire's so-called 'allies' in the State too.

Finally, freedom for the Minmatar is not simply confined to participating in their new nation. Vast numbers contribute to the economic and military well-being of the Federation, through choice and employment. Quite a few practice a variation of the Amarr faith, one which glorifies the positive facets of that ancient belief without the need to cruelly force others to their way of thinking. I feel sure the Republic will learn that freedom of religion can be a noble aspiration, once the Amarr rhetoric of domination and arrogance is excised by constitutional protections founded in the Rights of Man.

As is a politician's wont, I have gone on rather longer than I planned, but to summarise: Give the enslaved Minmatar choice, and then you can see how many truly wish to live in the Empire. You exercised your freedom of choice, let everyone do so without prejudice.


*NB: The common definition involves decision making unfettered by whips, torture, implants or toxic drugs.

Of course it seems muddled to you. You have no relevant experience.

In Amarr, you get taught. One way or another. Good Holders, the ones who follow Scripture, are not the ones who overly employ tactical means of control. But it's the flip side you don't get.

The fate of a Matari who chooses to publicly worship the Amarr god in the Republic? First, people assume you're brianwashed. They heap pity on you. They make you attend different Tribal functions, try to show you how you're supposed to be Then it starts. The stares. The suspicion. Like you're a spy, or worse, a deformed cripple. They act almost as if you might be contagious. The more vocal ones say that you're not really Matari. They heap guilt on you. Like, why were you rescued when there are so many more deserving? If you're very lucky, you can avoid getting the crap beat out of you. But it gets worse. You can't get a job. Not a good one. Maybe you can get work as a janitor. Maybe you can find some other menial way to eke out a living. You get starvation wages, you're lucky if you get some kind of housing. Some turn to drugs or petty crime. The unlucky ones turn to prostitution. But the people that would pay you for sex won't pay much for a "slave" and certainly will abuse you in the process. So you find a way to hide God in your heart. You go to meetings, you try to make friends. You say you've seen the error of God and you accept Matari spirituality. You get the Voluval done and you get accepted. And if you're very, very lucky, you get to crew on a ship that might get you close to Amaarr. The truly blessed become Capsuleers, like me.

Yeah, trade between the Federation and the Republic is booming. No argument there. But the ISK doesn't make it to the people who need it. Peoiple like you get shown smiling, happy faces. You don't see the camps, the detention centers. You don't see the people who don't get the scraps from your table.

And yeah. Some people go to the Federation. My brother did. He died...wow, almost ten years ago, fighting for the FDU. He had a good life in the Federation. But how does running to the Federation help the people in the Republic? You're just a different group of people using a different form of control.The Federation may not use collars, but you're still exploiting us. Proof? Take Amarr out of the equation. How soon after does the Republic become absorbed into the Federation. Or how long does it take before the Federation decides we're "savages" who need to be contained?

It's muddy for you because you just don't understand. In Amarr, everyone is a slave of sorts.Slaves to God. If you take away slavery, you cut out the heart of the religion. Given choice, most Matari, the ones who received proper education from birth, would choose to stay. Faith and devotion are just that total in the Empire.

I didn't exercise anything. I just wanted to go home. And when I got there I'd changed so much it wasn't really home for me anymore. This is what the Republic makes. It makes generations of lost souls. It makes lives where choice is an illusion. The one choice I made as a free Matari was to follow the remains of my old House out here to Curse so that I could build something on my terms, for the benefit of the people I love. We have to fight for everything we make here. But we don't fight for illusion. We take what we want from anyone and we carve out our own slice of Heaven.

Gods and spirits can we not find anything new to bicker about?

Once this problem has been dealt with, I'm sure others will float to the top. Until this issue is resolved, it's going to remain a matter to be discussed and aware of, even if certain people on both sides find it rather uncomfortable to have to deal with the reality of New Eden.

I saw a wet t-shirt thread somewhere, I'm sure you can stick your fingers in your ears over there.