Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Doesn't exist.
Ignore people pretending it's a big problem, if anything we are having deflation currently.

That is a very long sentence.

There are already production fees in place that get paid to NPCs (over and above the taxes). How would this be different?

You know what? We did have that back in the day and every isk that was created could also be destroyed again at an NPC station.
Hardly anyone remembers but there used to that thing that was called base-price.

Every module, mineral, ship and other things you could collect or harvest was sold and bought by a NPC station. EVE grew and the idea was to put all that market stuff into human hands - what could go wrong??

Since I was a noobie back then, I didn't say anything but I knew it would turn out this way. Maybe not everything that could should be put into the hands of humans..


But back to isk sinks. Now with repeating myself for the sixth time in a decade (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111eleven) the LP stores can be great isk sink if some tiny changes would be made.

Ratting back in the day was not like it is now with anomalies and system upgrades. We probably want some growth the the ISK supply, but what we are currently getting is probably a bit much. Thankfully we don't have well developed credit markets in game.

So.... Per the February economic dump.

http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/70094/1/10_-_hO35OM1.png

In February, we had 71.5 Trillion isk in Faucets, and 49.5 Mil in Faucets, a difference of about 22 Trillion, out of an economy of 950 Trillion, or 2.3% inflation.

This was partly counteracted by 11.3 Trillion worth of isk on accounts going deactivate from the start of month. No this does not mean EVE is dying. As players naturally leave the game, this number increases (to a large negative number), and is only counteracted by people reactivating accounts. Unless a ton of players who have played previously reactivate their accounts to a greater degree than people leaving the game, it will always be negative.

With that factored in, it's only an 10.8 Trillion rise in the isk supply, or 1.1% inflation.

Now given that Citadel will release both a very strong immediate sink (Citadel BPO), and a much higher continued sink (50% increase in transaction tax, plus massive increase in NPC broker fees, I'd actually expect a negative inflation for a while until markets shift to Citadels, and then inflation at an even lower rate then current.

Think roughly .5% monthly inflation or less, depending on how much trade stays in NPC station. Only around 1/15th of current trade volume needs to stay in NPC stations in order for NPC broker fee sink to remain at current levels.

TLDR: All data currently supports inflation not being an issue atm.

Please try again. The largest two isk faucets are actually NPC Bounties & WH Blue loot/Overseers effects. & they are not orders of magnitude larger than the sinks.

For raw numbers. http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/70094/1/10_-_hO35OM1.png
However remember that this is relative to the amount of resources being produced, so if the rate of isk growth is the same or lower as the rate of resource growth (such as mining) then we are probably experiencing deflation even if the total amount of isk is growing. So contrary to Anhenka's claim, an increase in isk is not a direct correlation to inflation. This can also be established by most T1 production items remaining stable in price unless directly impacted by a CCP change over the last year, not rising by 1% a month, which over a year would have added more than 20 million to the price of a battleship.

Also remember that CCP are proposing taking that 6 trillion isk sink of broker fees & that 10 trillion isk sink of transaction tax and massively increasing it for at least the near future, making it almost certain that we are going to go into total deflation for the next while.

Wrong use of terms should not be encouraged. Because it's wrong and creates false beliefs as to if there is a need for any solution.

And doing an eyeball of Jita markets since I am there, I can see 2 or 3 BS showing about a 5% increase, the rest are all flat or under what their year ago price was, and show a 10-20% fluctuation up and down as minerals move during that time.

The BS showing a sustained apparent increase are obviously the Geddon, the Raven which will have been influenced by changes to missiles and the timeline is about right on the price changes, and a slight uptick on the Apoc which may be getting pushed by the Navy Apoc doctrines being used.

The Maelstrom is showing a significant uptick in the last few weeks, which probably means it's getting a buff announced shortly and someone leaked some changes before they were announced, or someone is about to be using a large scale Mael doctrine. Since volume traded is also significantly up over the same time. So the Mael if it's a new doctrine is due to supply not adjusting to demand yet.

I.E. None of the BS in Jita are showing any inflation signs, just increased demand for a few newly popular hulls after their last changes.

Just going to throw this into the mix simply because I can.

The customs offices were at one point an ISK sink, but then CCP choose to remove them from the game, what affect did that one change have on the economy. Yes I know, in their current state they are not a faucet that is not my point, I simply refer to them as a lost ISK sink.

For ISK sinks why not think small and insignificant on an individual basis but large when applied game wide.
Say a 10 ISK per gate jump "toll", individually that would not add much to our expenses yet over time and all of the players in the game it would add up. Another would be a small "fee" or "tax" paid to have a ship in storage at a station say 1 maybe 2 ISK per day per ship, again not a significant amount on an individual basis but collectively over time. Yes I know neither of these taken as an individual idea would have a significant affect but that is my point. If we need more ISK sinks then they need to be a small amount paid by each individual but large when taken as a collected whole game wide.

Everyone is quick to point to the faucets as a problem and yet we all need a way to make ISK so we can afford to buy the things we want and add even more ISK to your wallet. So faucets are not a bad thing to have, what we need to look at are those that are completely out of line with the rest of the game. To illustrate this here is but one example from the linked chart.
The total ISK from bounties is 33.876 billion, if we assume (yes I know it is dangerous to assume) that amount is earned equally in high, low, nul and worm holes we get 8.469 billion ISK per area of the game and yet the Incursion community accounts for 11.245 billion. Given the extremely small sub-set of players involved in Incursions this income level is totally out of line with the rest of the game and should be a prime target if we need to reduce the faucets in the game.

The fact that we do not have well developed financial markets limits the impact of new ISK on the inflation rate. Still, I bet there is a correlation to ISK creation and inflation. Checking that with empirical data will be a challenge.