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Lady Liberty?

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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#21 - 2016-03-20 01:27:57 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:

If you don't know it yourself, how can you be sure hes lieing? Saying something without a direct citation makes it a lie to you right?

Lol

He has a history of being a liar right in this exact message board on GalNet. Should I bring examples? Or maybe just send you in a mail?

Besides that, should I point out your nose into what I write as well? I never said I was sure he was lying in this exact situation, so what makes you ask that, daring to claim otherwise? Your incompetence in reading the information or your incompetence in comprehending it?

In other words, I am unsure if he is lying or not, but I am sure he is a liar and what he is writing can be either truth or lie. Thus such information is better to be discarded unless proven by a reference to way more reliable source than this federal lapdog.

You say he's a liar, what do liars do? I'm saying that due to numerous times you've accuaed people of lieing even when they supplied evidence in citation form. Also, what's wrong with my nose????
Elmund Egivand
Sebestacny Circle
#22 - 2016-03-20 06:39:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Open up a Galnet search engine. Any Galnet search engine. Insert the keyword 'Liberty meaning'. You will find, on the very front page, at least, 7 links to a dictionary defining the word 'Liberty'. The one I use, 'Goggles' even has this the large chunk of text which tells you what language the word originates from, what does it mean, how to pronounce it and examples of usage, on top of all the links.

Liberty is not some obscure Napanii word which you will have trouble looking up on the Galnet.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#23 - 2016-03-20 10:10:48 UTC
Liberty is a means of allowing people to become so prosperous that they become too decadent to maintain it.

Thus we forget that politics is always downstream of culture.

Fortunately the Federation is to large that it will take centuries for it to collapse and as long as people are free to work around it, nobody will notice (though everybody will keep saying it's collapsing, year after year, for centuries).

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Diana Kim
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#24 - 2016-03-20 12:41:15 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:

You say he's a liar, what do liars do?

Guess, Ms. Inspector.

Deitra Vess wrote:
I'm saying that due to numerous times you've accuaed people of lieing even when they supplied evidence in citation form.

Pretty much when I call someone a liar, I can point out at one or multiple of their lies easily when asked.
Though if someone is a liar it doesn't mean that 100% they say is a lie, or they would be more like clowns rather than liars.

Deitra Vess wrote:
Also, what's wrong with my nose????

It is attached to a person who by her either sheer malice or ridiculous stupidity have put her ignorant words into my mouth to represent her incompetent thoughts as mine.

No, really. If you would like to disgrace yourself with such stupidity, go ahead, it's your choice, I don't mind. But it isn't mine choice, so please be so kind, don't ever again talk with me or about me.

I hope to not see you again.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#25 - 2016-03-20 12:43:13 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Liberty is a means of allowing people to become so prosperous that they become too decadent to maintain it.

Thus we forget that politics is always downstream of culture.

Fortunately the Federation is to large that it will take centuries for it to collapse and as long as people are free to work around it, nobody will notice (though everybody will keep saying it's collapsing, year after year, for centuries).

Probably we should poke it with a stick a bit more and help it to collapse.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#26 - 2016-03-21 19:51:49 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Open up a Galnet search engine. Any Galnet search engine. Insert the keyword 'Liberty meaning'. You will find, on the very front page, at least, 7 links to a dictionary defining the word 'Liberty'. The one I use, 'Goggles' even has this the large chunk of text which tells you what language the word originates from, what does it mean, how to pronounce it and examples of usage, on top of all the links.

Liberty is not some obscure Napanii word which you will have trouble looking up on the Galnet.

Hmm, I see, so it is sort of word with multiple meanings, involving allowance, permissions and even chaos. I really dislike jaijii words and I'll try to limit their usage in the future.

Meanwhile I am afraid I will have to pray to ancestors for forgiveness.


Also, I believe Lady Allowance doesn't sound nice either. However, somehow I believe it was meant to be Lady Chaos, which might be even worse.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#27 - 2016-03-22 23:29:12 UTC
Utari Onzo wrote:
Putting seriousness aside, Mr Independance sounds like a fantastic addition to a roster of Napanii super heros. Teamed up with his loyal sidekick Ms Efficiency.

Then give them a romantic sub-plot where Ms. Efficiency falls for Mr. Independence but realizes she can never be with him, because it would lead to him being..... in efficient Cool

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

James Syagrius
Chatelain Auxiliary Response
Intaki-Business Logistics Union
#28 - 2016-03-23 00:52:56 UTC
Utari Onzo wrote:
Thank you for choosing not to derail our tea party thread Commander, very thoughtfull of you.
As for the Lord and Lady joke, it would have been funny were it not for the fact I'm not a Lord and never will be. That and while I like some Federal citizens and some of the tea and music, I absolutely detest the Government and the way they espouse Rights as if they're universal. They're not, the only Right is what you earn and keep by politic, force, money or other.

Do forgive me good Onzo, but I tend to fixate… So then our ‘rights’ derive from force alone, not some higher power? I have heard it said, in the case of Amarr that ‘It is god who makes them cruel; for to believe in a cruel god makes cruel men.’ Oh and the tea and company were excellent.

Diana Kim
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#29 - 2016-03-23 03:05:57 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
Utari Onzo wrote:
Thank you for choosing not to derail our tea party thread Commander, very thoughtfull of you.
As for the Lord and Lady joke, it would have been funny were it not for the fact I'm not a Lord and never will be. That and while I like some Federal citizens and some of the tea and music, I absolutely detest the Government and the way they espouse Rights as if they're universal. They're not, the only Right is what you earn and keep by politic, force, money or other.

Do forgive me good Onzo, but I tend to fixate… So then our ‘rights’ derive from force alone, not some higher power? I have heard it said, in the case of Amarr that ‘It is god who makes them cruel; for to believe in a cruel god makes cruel men.’ Oh and the tea and company were excellent.


So, to extend your hypothesis to gallenteans, their belief in democracy and freedom makes them cruel, inhumane and greedy racists. I have served for a year in the Empire and I can assure you, that cruelty of Amarr people is insignificant if you compare how Amarr treat their prisoners and how Federals treat them. Becoming a prisoner of war in the Empire will most probably end you being a slave, since it is common practice in the Empire to enslave criminals and prisoners of war to make them pay for their crimes. But even that would be better than finding yourself a prisoner in a gallente detention facility.

I have popped open several of these gallentean hidden dens. If you wish to see for yourself the real cruelty and what gallentean "people" can do, I can send you the footage.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Ishi Onzo
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#30 - 2016-03-23 03:34:16 UTC
From what I've seen the most important part of Gallentean liberty is hiding behind 'liberty' to excuse anything you do.
Diana Kim
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#31 - 2016-03-23 04:07:24 UTC
Ishi Onzo wrote:
From what I've seen the most important part of Gallentean liberty is hiding behind 'liberty' to excuse anything you do.

They don't even hide it.
They quite often open claim themselves they fight for Chaos and Democracy. It is rather obvious they just want to do everything they want without taking consequences.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Elmund Egivand
Sebestacny Circle
#32 - 2016-03-23 05:32:21 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Utari Onzo wrote:
Putting seriousness aside, Mr Independance sounds like a fantastic addition to a roster of Napanii super heros. Teamed up with his loyal sidekick Ms Efficiency.

Then give them a romantic sub-plot where Ms. Efficiency falls for Mr. Independence but realizes she can never be with him, because it would lead to him being..... in efficient Cool


And then there will be a what-if alternate universe run where Ms. Efficiency does, in fact, get together with Mr. Independence, and milk that for as much drama as it is worth.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

James Syagrius
Chatelain Auxiliary Response
Intaki-Business Logistics Union
#33 - 2016-03-23 17:04:08 UTC  |  Edited by: James Syagrius
Diana Kim wrote:
So, to extend your hypothesis to gallenteans, their belief in democracy and freedom makes them cruel, inhumane and greedy racists. I have served for a year in the Empire and I can assure you, that cruelty of Amarr people is insignificant if you compare how Amarr treat their prisoners and how Federals treat them. Becoming a prisoner of war in the Empire will most probably end you being a slave, since it is common practice in the Empire to enslave criminals and prisoners of war to make them pay for their crimes. But even that would be better than finding yourself a prisoner in a gallente detention facility.
I have popped open several of these gallentean hidden dens. If you wish to see for yourself the real cruelty and what gallentean "people" can do, I can send you the footage.
Moral equivalence is a dangerous thing indeed.

So the alleged detention of thousands is the same as the generational enslavement of billions….

Caldari logic to be sure.

Now we, to use your phrase, ‘Gallenteans’ can be troublesome, and indeed it is irksome to have your sins laid bare especially by those as equally flawed.

But being a hypocrite doesn’t make one necessarily wrong.

Every race I think has at its core a driving philosophy upon which the civilization it creates is based.

So what makes us the clusters most prolific busy-bodies?

Its simple really…

‘The belief that what is my right is also your right, and it is my duty to guarantee as well as to possess.’

But still, did you change your hair?
Diana Kim
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#34 - 2016-03-24 10:15:28 UTC
Mr. Syagrius.

Your abhorrent ignorance and disrespect to lives is unacceptable.

Before continuing negotiations with you, we must first find out if you are an incompetent and ignorant buffoon, or man meaning business and simply made a mistake that you must correct. But in any way, YOU said the word, and you must bear the consequence.

Since this part is unrelated to the ongoing discussion, please proceed here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=474649&find=unread

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

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