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can someone explain how these charts work?

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Xylem Viliana
homeless bum
#1 - 2016-02-07 19:41:07 UTC
http://s10.photobucket.com/user/rolph20/media/Afbeelding1-6.png.html

I have never seen anything like them.

C= control figure
S=start figure

vergelijking=comparison
verandering=change

and last bit is outcomes

pls explain in english, i know the text is Dutch but i dont know enough dutch to understand if explained in Dutch,
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#2 - 2016-02-09 00:28:40 UTC
Whatever they are, they're pretty cool looking. Some conceptual sequence things laid out in visual images. I almost don't want to read the explanation, if we get one.
witchking42
Doomheim
#3 - 2016-02-09 13:03:07 UTC
Xylem Viliana
homeless bum
#4 - 2016-02-09 18:43:09 UTC
witchking42 wrote:
http://www.test-toolkit.co.uk/tests/intelligence/flow-charts/



Sweet, I found similar pages, but what im trying to understand is how they actually work.

I might be being a bit moronic here, I certainly dont consider myself an idiot, but this is completely different to flowcharts ive seen and used.

As I understand it from my own research the octagonal one have no effect but the rounded ones do.

I suppose what id really like is an explanation of how they work.

Sorry to be a pain in the backside folks
LordOdysseus
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#5 - 2016-02-09 19:00:07 UTC
Isajah
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2016-03-10 12:28:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Isajah
Has this flo chart type a specific name? (like Petri Nets, State Charts, Sequence Chart) ?

I mean I have seen a lot in that direction but this one is special. Any explanation what the dots in the alteration charts mean?
(top might move the dot up/down, middle one might change black/white state, bottom swaps right/left)

Does the Compare chart compares if test symbol and control symbol are identical? + = True ; - = False?


if thats it, here is the explanation
Step 1: Alteration one swaps up/down and right/left: White Box, dot in top right
Step 2: Compare with control figure (compare color): false
Step 3: Swap color (Black, dot top left)
Step4: Swap up/down right/left: (Black, dot bottom left)
Step5: Compare again(Color) -> True
Step6: Swap color

Solution: White Box, dot in the bottom left (like it started)

Me wants Comet mining

Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2016-03-11 02:17:38 UTC
Looks like control diagram, there is the negative feedback.

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Isajah
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2016-03-18 08:48:06 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
Looks like control diagram, there is the negative feedback.


its more like a loop than a feedback

Me wants Comet mining

Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2016-03-18 20:20:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Buzz Orti
Xylem Viliana wrote:
http://s10.photobucket.com/user/rolph20/media/Afbeelding1-6.png.html

I have never seen anything like them.

C= control figure
S=start figure

vergelijking=comparison
verandering=change

and last bit is outcomes

pls explain in english, i know the text is Dutch but i dont know enough dutch to understand if explained in Dutch,



Voorbeeldopgave1 = example Problem 1

controlefiguur = control figure

startfiguur = take-off (start) figure

Veranderingsdiagram
Vergelykings Diagram = comparisons Chart (diagram)

Veranderingsdiagram
Veranderings diagram = changes diagram


Afbeelding = Image

Antwoordmogelijkheden = answer options

this problem is pretty much abstract and likely not an efficient electronic algorithm.

The 2 figures referred mention
a. changes (octagon) in relation to the flowchat direction of the arrows, which are pretty much irrelevant , since the arrows flow the same way anyways.

b. the same for the comparison (circle) figure or symbol,

the rest of the relevant data, if any, is omitted.

It seems to be part of a whole or with other systems which are to be created in the future which are not included.

Also, the flowchart system seems to be of an incrementor which adds one change (veran) diagram (chart) to the cycle total.
This, in turn, is leading to a following comparison, to be added to the change (previous), and incremented until it goes back to the first step after start.

The change symbol should or could also check for a condition which if true or false, or greater or equal leads to a + or a minus.

The cycle exists with a + before the last comparison sequence which leads to the result in the question example problem program (electronic device).

Only 1 of 8 sets are possible depending on the data used.
Maybe all 8 are possible.
Perhaps only one or none are possible.

As for the 4 arrows listed to the side of the 2 symbols, change and comparison...
they seem to be referring to the procedure related to the flow, but there is no mention.
Certainly a question to verify with the problem formulator.
If he refuses to confirm, it would or may not be worth my time to continue.

For instance, for the circle symbol, or verge = comparison,
if the flow shows has with an upward arrow or an arrow to the right, the process is a black dot on a white background.
if the flow shows has with a downward arrow or an arrow to the left, the process is a white dot on a black background.

The same for the following symbol...

It also helps to keep the image visible when doing the analysis since it would or may be hard to remember without reference.


However, there is no proof that it has anything to do with the purported solution which is more like a problem than a solution.


The flowcharts diagrams are offered for calendar and other stationary at around $20 each.

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Isajah
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2016-03-21 08:56:30 UTC
I guess photobucket offers every picture as gift cards, but I found it confusing, too.

Again it is fairly simple. octagon canges the figure, depending on where the dot is, circle compares figure with control figure based on where the dot is.

dot in the top changes/compares top/bottom
dot in the middle swaps white/black
dot in the bottom changes right left.

Me wants Comet mining

Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2016-03-23 03:33:29 UTC
Isajah wrote:
I guess photobucket offers every picture as gift cards, but I found it confusing, too.

Again it is fairly simple. octagon canges the figure, depending on where the dot is, circle compares figure with control figure based on where the dot is.

dot in the top changes/compares top/bottom
dot in the middle swaps white/black
dot in the bottom changes right left.


Just the kind of diagram without enough documentation for which an indexed data field with details is good to have around.
(technical doc)

Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.

Xylem Viliana
homeless bum
#12 - 2016-03-23 10:20:35 UTC
I am still monitoring this sorry for not responding, work kicking my backside a bit. will do my best to have a good look through all replies over the easter break between painting
Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2016-03-23 14:09:27 UTC
It also seems to be used to keep reference of ,
while other parts of the system (loops) are being changed or can be modified.

Also, the iteration ends with a negative iteration of minus 1 after exiting its cycle, instead of plus 1 as is more usual, or would be more usual, such as is the case of the multiple iteration loop system itself.

Let's say, one of the symbol, like the change or comparison system were to be changed or modified before giving it a go to run the system, it would produce different outcome.

Such as, for example, one IP proxy, or an IP source, or a routing field, or a routing system, or a direction of routing, and so on...
Lots of things that automation can do, and well, since this can be connected to other automation (good or bad) , it may be one of the only way a pirate has to keep some track of how they'd try to entrap some poor soul, unaware of the risk or danger associated.

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