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Slot 7 implant question for Large artillery

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Henry Rutherford Hill
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-03-23 00:45:14 UTC
Question;

When using 800's, I was wondering which slot 7 implant I should use, I'm guessing tracking speed as I'll be in closer with them, but I wanted to be sure.

Thanks in advance for any help!
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2016-03-23 02:14:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
what other implants are you considering and is this for pvp or pve?

also what is your budget, implants can get rather pricy.

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2016-03-23 10:36:44 UTC
Eve is very situational. It's not like other MMOs where you can go to elietistjerks.com and find out what the best in slot gear is or the best rotation or anything like that. Every module, every rig and every implant in this game has situations where it is the ideal one for the task at hand. Some are ideal in more situations and some only in a very few specific situations but they all have their uses.

Before we could answer the question that you ask we'd have to know how you are fitting the ship and what you are planning on doing with it and which ship it is. Even then we could only make educated guesses, you'd still have to try it out for yourself.

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2016-03-23 10:58:06 UTC
I looked into this a little more and obviously the capacitor one is useless for projectiles. That leaves you with tracking or falloff.

Projectiles are known for their falloff. Extending falloff is a huge part of projectiles and especially autocannons. However I always have modules that increase falloff fit to my projectile ships but they also increase tracking. The further away something is the better it tracks so more falloff can actually increase tracking.

On the flipside of that that more tracking can allow you to fly closer and be shallower into your falloff and thus do more damage.

I would recommend using a tracking computer and switching scripts to see which one seems to help more and then getting the implant that matches that.

If you are going to be shooting at mostly large slow moving targets then the falloff will be of most use to you. If you are going to be shooting at fast moving medium targets that are not webbed then the tracking will help you since you won't be able to control range and make use of the falloff.

Of course how you have your ship fit already and your personal piloting style also figure into this.

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Henry Rutherford Hill
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2016-03-23 18:31:30 UTC
Yeah, I was back and forth on this myself. I went with tracking for a couple reasons:

First my use case: I'm using 800's so I'm more in brawling range than anything else (I know there are better ships for this but it's what I'm working with atm), and even with a heavy grapple, ill still want to be cognizant of tracking not falloff.

Additionally, my targets will immediately be within 5km, but their state of tackle will be variable. So I'll want to be able to either approaching them, or aligning away from them. I think that considering that 800's rely on alpha, not DPS making sure those initial shots hit are going to be most important, and since things will already be withing 5km to start, tracking will be paramount.

I unfortunately don't have room for a tracking computer on the hull so have to work around that.

Thanks for the help so far on this!
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2016-03-24 00:48:49 UTC
Henry Rutherford Hill wrote:
I'm using 800's so I'm more in brawling range than anything else (I know there are better ships for this but it's what I'm working with atm), and even with a heavy grapple, ill still want to be cognizant of tracking not falloff.

If this is the case then you might want to go with the 650s or even 425s. You have to keep in mind that the paper DPS numbers that you see in EFT are only a theoretical best case scenario number. Under actual combat conditions your landed or delivered DPS numbers will almost certainly not be the same. So a little less paper DPS for a lot more tracking might be what you need.

This may seem kind of complicated but I find it useful:

Pick one of the 800s, right-click and show info. Then go to the variations tab and click compare. Then repeat for the 650s and 424s

Then what I did was click meta and sort by meta and select and then remove anything above and below meta 5. This gets you with the same meta of all 3 versions. Even if you can't use tech 2 yet it is still a good way to compare the differences.

Then you can select the other stats that you want on the compare chart. I did:
Falloff
Tracking speed
Capacity ( clip size )
RoF
Damage modifier
Henry Rutherford Hill wrote:

Additionally, my targets will immediately be within 5km, but their state of tackle will be variable. So I'll want to be able to either approaching them, or aligning away from them. I think that considering that 800's rely on alpha, not DPS making sure those initial shots hit are going to be most important, and since things will already be withing 5km to start, tracking will be paramount.

I think that you are thinking of Artillery. As far as I know autocannons are not known for their alpha. Regardless if you have targets close to you and smaller than you at about 5K then yes I agree tracking will be more important. Most people say that with autocannons you should typically be trying to get your targets a thrid of the way into falloff at least and 5K is pretty much optimal and falloff for the 800s is about 20 so you are looking at 11K or further even.

Again, however, this is all theorycrafting, results may vary, consult your physician to see if you are healthy enough for PvP and to see it short range projectile weapons are right for you. Projectile weapon useage may lead to certain side effects which may include:
-A liking for rust, anything colored like rust or anything that smells or tastes like rust.
-Increased usage of duct tape even in situations where there is no need or even when uncalled for.
-Hatred for anything pretty or gold in color.
-An uncontrollable urge to strike out violently when any word that rhymes with slave is used.
-An extreme disdain for authority.

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