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Would F2P EVE with a cap of 3 mil SP be a bad thing for the game?

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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#21 - 2016-03-22 21:48:10 UTC
Short answer: F2P would kill EVE.

Long answer: Hell no, I don't want to discuss that. If CCP does things as wrong as to take that step, we all will see what happens in 2 or 3 years after adding F2P to EVE.
Killwitch
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2016-03-22 22:16:29 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:


Long answer: Hell no, I don't want to discuss that


You post in a forum because you DONT want to discuss something? Big smile
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2016-03-22 22:20:02 UTC
EVE will be going the F2P route eventually, but a hard SP cap is a bad idea because of unlimited alts, and those are powerful things in this game.

Instead a free account (or an unlimited/permanent trial account, which would be a better description for what I'm about to propose) should be severely restricted in what it can do and have hard caps not on SP, but on the ships that can be flown. Ideally a free player should be able to do all the things EVE has to offer, but the more advanced paths in those professions should be restricted to paying accounts. Mining for example, a free player would have access to a Venture and nothing else. They would have access to the most basic industrial and nothing else. Only the lowest tier of any given ship class will be available to a trial account, with capitals being off limits all together (including freighters and the Orca).

Cyno's, cloaks and entosis links will be unavailable, only the first tier market skill will be available, and basically anything else that throwaway alts might realistically be created for under this system. The ultimate goal is to allow people to explore all of EVE for free for as long as they like, but if they want to get into the higher tier content they will need a paying account.

I think a system similar like this will eventually be how EVE moved forward.

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Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2016-03-22 22:31:14 UTC
I could make SO MANY PI alts. SO MANY CYNO ALTS! A cyno in literally every system I ever need in EVE!


Yeah. Lets do this. I want cynos everywhere.

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Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#25 - 2016-03-22 23:02:51 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
EVE will be going the F2P route eventually, but a hard SP cap is a bad idea because of unlimited alts, and those are powerful things in this game.

Instead a free account (or an unlimited/permanent trial account, which would be a better description for what I'm about to propose) should be severely restricted in what it can do and have hard caps not on SP, but on the ships that can be flown. Ideally a free player should be able to do all the things EVE has to offer, but the more advanced paths in those professions should be restricted to paying accounts. Mining for example, a free player would have access to a Venture and nothing else. They would have access to the most basic industrial and nothing else. Only the lowest tier of any given ship class will be available to a trial account, with capitals being off limits all together (including freighters and the Orca).

Cyno's, cloaks and entosis links will be unavailable, only the first tier market skill will be available, and basically anything else that throwaway alts might realistically be created for under this system. The ultimate goal is to allow people to explore all of EVE for free for as long as they like, but if they want to get into the higher tier content they will need a paying account.

I think a system similar like this will eventually be how EVE moved forward.




Then from there they will whine their way to more freedom.

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Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2016-03-22 23:25:27 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

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Thank you.

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2016-03-22 23:25:40 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
EVE will be going the F2P route eventually, but a hard SP cap is a bad idea because of unlimited alts, and those are powerful things in this game.

Instead a free account (or an unlimited/permanent trial account, which would be a better description for what I'm about to propose) should be severely restricted in what it can do and have hard caps not on SP, but on the ships that can be flown. Ideally a free player should be able to do all the things EVE has to offer, but the more advanced paths in those professions should be restricted to paying accounts. Mining for example, a free player would have access to a Venture and nothing else. They would have access to the most basic industrial and nothing else. Only the lowest tier of any given ship class will be available to a trial account, with capitals being off limits all together (including freighters and the Orca).

Cyno's, cloaks and entosis links will be unavailable, only the first tier market skill will be available, and basically anything else that throwaway alts might realistically be created for under this system. The ultimate goal is to allow people to explore all of EVE for free for as long as they like, but if they want to get into the higher tier content they will need a paying account.

I think a system similar like this will eventually be how EVE moved forward.




Then from there they will whine their way to more freedom.


No doubt. And we'll be here to put them in their place Cool

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#28 - 2016-03-22 23:29:02 UTC
Killwitch wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:


Long answer: Hell no, I don't want to discuss that


You post in a forum because you DONT want to discuss something? Big smile

yes, this isnt a discussion any of us are even willing to see happen

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NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2016-03-22 23:37:52 UTC
How would you handle them Plexing?
Do they then lose being a free account?
A max item where I can drop my sub and deal with penalties but still play for free?

But really, army oh free alts?
I can do so much industry, so much fun with fleeting myself a set of dessies and just ganking stuff, well okay maybe not due tot he time lag to make it work, but really free alt means I could have somebody with me at any time as meat bag and DPS for a mission.
A hauler on demand in an NPC corp for moving stuff with no risk, disposable gank alts being truly disposable (free emails and no charge? Just train a bunch and gank until useless, then ditch them.)


Its a very bad plan, and I'm not even sure a fixed skill ship like the gnosis as being their only option wouldn't be lead to breaking the game in some ludicrous method.

I have high hopes for this crowd, enough that I don't trust them with craft supplies for fear of what they could do.
Dani Gallar
Doomheim
#30 - 2016-03-22 23:41:22 UTC
Killwitch wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:


Long answer: Hell no, I don't want to discuss that


You post in a forum because you DONT want to discuss something? Big smile


I think it's more about this discussion is old and the idea that F2P EVE have been discussed over and over ... if this game where to become F2P the entire core concept would have to change first and then EVE would die horribly.

I also think the main reason why one does not want an MMO to become F2P is that it draws the F2P-crowd which means LOADS of entitled kids who demands the bar to be lowered and in a game that thrives on it's difficulty it would obviously be a very bad thing.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#31 - 2016-03-22 23:56:49 UTC  |  Edited by: NEONOVUS
Dani Gallar wrote:
Killwitch wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:


Long answer: Hell no, I don't want to discuss that


You post in a forum because you DONT want to discuss something? Big smile


I think it's more about this discussion is old and the idea that F2P EVE have been discussed over and over ... if this game where to become F2P the entire core concept would have to change first and then EVE would die horribly.

I also think the main reason why one does not want an MMO to become F2P is that it draws the F2P-crowd which means LOADS of entitled kids who demands the bar to be lowered and in a game that thrives on it's difficulty it would obviously be a very bad thing.

Defenitely this.
I've gotten a number of bans for pointing out that people are crap and doing an F2P wrong down to the very basic controls, in as civil as we will discuss here.
Not violating any of the rules, and multiple times been cited for violating profanity by using different words.
With about as you expect no profanity intended or other issues.

Meanwhile, half the fun in EVE is using Mat in a cloaked ship in the drone regions and seeing what happens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mat_(Russian_profanity)

Seriously, hijinks will be had.


The real problem is that F2P are supposed to be funded by microtransactions and arduous grind.
What is the grind in EVE that would account for killing 100 million bears for 12 asses?
We don't have that, we have an economy superior to several real countries.

Do we tell them get gud scrub?
Well,
uh
Hells bleeping yes?
Welcome to die scrub, harden the bleep up and come out of the station.
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#32 - 2016-03-23 01:35:09 UTC
I do play Eve, its been F2P since 2008, and so I dont understand the question, even a little bit.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#33 - 2016-03-23 06:02:30 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Salt Foambreaker wrote:
Raise army of alts to 3mill

EXTRACT!!

Repeat Big smile

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Hello Meza
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2016-03-23 07:05:01 UTC
Killwitch wrote:
I guess I should have also stated what I thought was the obvious :P :

You could limit the skills these accounts can train, just like trial accounts work currently.

Them putting up all sorts of orders in the market etc could be an issue, I guess you could again address that by not allowing these accounts to make advanced orders and just insta-sell/insta-buy?


If you want to just "enjoy Eve" with a "low skill character" as you put it in the OP, you can just log into your 180m SP char and pretend to only be able to fly rookie ships.

Or is the having to pay for that bit the issue? That isn't a design problem.
Hello Meza
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2016-03-23 07:07:40 UTC
Aiwha wrote:
I could make SO MANY PI alts. SO MANY CYNO ALTS! A cyno in literally every system I ever need in EVE!


Yeah. Lets do this. I want cynos everywhere.


I actually wouldn't mind a cyno in every system because that particular restriction really annoys me but if everyone did that, it would probably break the game.
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Galactic Rangers
#36 - 2016-03-23 08:50:30 UTC
Killwitch wrote:
Like a lot of other people, I play Eve on and off, and usually lurk in the forums in between.

I know I would definitely keep the game installed and login If I had a permanent low skill pilot for fun activities.

I assume that would create problems with botters etc, guess you could limit that by restricting the amount of ISK the character can send to other players?

The 3 mil SP is of course just a number, could be anything.




you've not lurked enough around here to understand that this F2P shite has been raised before.

you want a low skilled char to play around with,,, sure it will somehow keep you logged in and playing ?????? Roll

here's a crazy idea,, make one,, you've 3 char slots.

oh you want a free alt,, or many free alts. No!

No now!

No Tomorrow!

No always and forever!
Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
#37 - 2016-03-23 09:01:10 UTC
Free to play EVE would purely suck. The chronically unemployed or the "deserving" among us should find another game and badger them about money...or lack thereof. I think this fine establishment deters a certain element other games have to deal with by not totally becoming something mommy can carry with her VISA card for her ten year old computer game hero.

Even the subject line of this thread makes me nauseous.

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Conrad Makbure
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2016-03-23 09:22:00 UTC
Probably not that bad an idea, hold them to trial account rules though.
Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
#39 - 2016-03-23 09:54:49 UTC
Yes, it would.
Memphis Baas
#40 - 2016-03-23 10:13:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Memphis Baas
Conrad Makbure wrote:
Probably not that bad an idea, hold them to trial account rules though.


Trial account rules:
- most of the "advanced" skills cannot be trained
- you can only have 1 of your "army of alts" logged in (on each computer)

However, whether we like or dislike the idea, I believe from CCP's point of view OP is asking for more server load (more characters logging in) with no extra income to CCP (it's all F2P). So I believe they have no incentive to implement this.

Personally, I'm against the concept of F2P, because "F2P" just means "you pay a lot more via microtransactions to unlock things to make the game playable" and I hate being nickel-and-dimed. The rest of the playerbase hates microtransactions with a passion, so, OP, your idea is going nowhere fast.
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