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Please reduce the number of SOV timers

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Hawk Aulmais
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#201 - 2016-03-22 16:07:17 UTC
I love how a lot of the "you need less space" is coming from ppl who's alliances have none.

Ageis is heavily skewed toward the attackers. There is no commitment to taking the sov on their part. Exodus is a prime example. They come in we kill or chase them off they come back or go to pure blind to hit goon stuff. They do this every day with 5-7 in fleet. Sov shouldn't be a tool for small gang pvp. Less than 10 pilots have more power than a full fleet in dominion. Or PH with their entosis bombs. 20-30 mallers going out and hitting that many structures at once. All examples of a skewed system. The attackers can come back and harass the defenders by killing entosis ships that can't be effectively defended if in separate systems or just blueball and watch the defenders run around playing capture the flag.

If the attackers are making a true effort to take sov and not just remove the current residents infastructure there needs to be a mechanic in play for this for a balanced sov system where it can be defended with out troll tactics. Needs to be harder to ref, reintroduce SBUS (with much less anchoring time), limit entosis links to battle cruiser and larger hulls, attackers must have a certain number of online poses or citadels, a certain number of hours it can be in ref per week like citadels will be(only the number will be dependent on the adm), something to balance it.



Genoir
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#202 - 2016-03-22 16:30:03 UTC
Congratulations to CCP. You've achieved something here.

You've managed to finally make a dent in the numbers x wins. You've allowed smaller entities to wage guerrilla war against the huge sov holding alliances. Those same alliances being tied up with taking care of the problems within their own borders that they have issues causing problems outside them.

I see no problem in people attacking infrastructure, causing headaches for the sov holders, if they can't face you head on against your full fleets, then they need to find some way to attack you, seems like they have.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#203 - 2016-03-22 16:48:00 UTC
Genoir wrote:
Congratulations to CCP. You've achieved something here.

You've managed to finally make a dent in the numbers x wins. You've allowed smaller entities to wage guerrilla war against the huge sov holding alliances. Those same alliances being tied up with taking care of the problems within their own borders that they have issues causing problems outside them.

I see no problem in people attacking infrastructure, causing headaches for the sov holders, if they can't face you head on against your full fleets, then they need to find some way to attack you, seems like they have.
But they can't actually attack, they can just annoy. If they want to take and hold sov they still have to fight the same numbers. Small sov holders will still get booted the moment a bigger group wants the space, the only difference is that now player who have absolutely no interest in sov now have a way to force sov holders of all sizes to use boring mechanics with no commitment. No way of spinning that makes it good game design.

I love how people just sling around the term "guerrilla war" in relation to this by the way. The players using this "guerrilla war" tactic are a coalition which includes the second largest alliance in the entire game (which itself is in a separate coalition). If a large alliance like that started to use it on small sov holders the effects would be considerably more devastating.

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#204 - 2016-03-22 16:55:34 UTC
That's really the only solution. Entosis people for no reason to spread the grief around.
Xeno Szenn
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#205 - 2016-03-22 21:43:42 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
That's really the only solution. Entosis people for no reason to spread the grief around.


The biggest issue i see for you guys to do that is besides provi who do you hit. The Russians who are your allies acording to the Mattani? The groups who don't care about sov to begin with so won't care if they lose it. Right now you guts seem to be the only game in town so to speak Granted i don't know or care about most of the big sov groups or any of them for that matter. Defending sov can only be done if you care about that sov. thats why NPC null sec and low sec are so powerful I don't have to care about sov and can still get fights and force people to fight.

I think the sad situation right now is only imperium, Russians, and provie actual care about there sov everyone else is jsut a meh whatever about it. to be fair it's been that way since a little after phebe.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#206 - 2016-03-22 21:59:35 UTC
Doesn't matter who it is, there doesn't need to be a narrative attached. Just anonymous entosis harassment.

PS did you just say we're the only show in town? Thanks fam
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#207 - 2016-03-22 22:01:01 UTC
Before entosis lasers we had AFK Vexors that we used to grind structure HP while we slept.

But that took four hours or so. Entosis links really are stupid.
Xeno Szenn
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#208 - 2016-03-22 22:14:54 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Doesn't matter who it is, there doesn't need to be a narrative attached. Just anonymous entosis harassment.

PS did you just say we're the only show in town? Thanks fam



Who else owns anything besdies russians, provie and you guys? theres fights to be had everwhere but not these kind of fights right now. entosis everything if you want it's great for getting fights and if it's as broken as some of you guys say it is then it shouldn't be to hard to show how broken it is on a massive scale.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#209 - 2016-03-22 22:27:54 UTC
Xeno Szenn
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#210 - 2016-03-22 22:45:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Xeno Szenn
Rain6637 wrote:
Wait what


People have said that the entosis mechanic is broken. if it really is you guys can show everyone how broken it is on a massive sacle as we were talking about eariler. I personally like it but would probably like any mechanic. As for people owning sov. It seems to be the russian block, The imperium and provie for people who care about there sov and own it. Everyone else dosn't seem to care about it. I don;t know if that is a fact i just shoot stuff but thats my perception on it.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#211 - 2016-03-22 22:47:45 UTC
You had me worried with your question of who else owns sov. Plenty of people. I wouldn't necessarily do it on a Goonwaffe main, and as long as I pick someone I've never heard of, I think I can avoid an intergalactic incident.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#212 - 2016-03-22 22:53:28 UTC
Xeno Szenn
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#213 - 2016-03-22 23:05:34 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
You're not one of those blue donut types, are you?



not really i don't care who i fight or where. I just truly love watching the carnage. Blue donut unblue donut it really makes no diffrance to me or my style of gameplay. I'm just in it for the destruction and chaos fighting brings. i wont shoot blues but if someone's not blue i'll shoot whoever. and if everyone is blue and against me it just means i have more targets.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#214 - 2016-03-22 23:33:18 UTC
I gotcha. And I don't rat, all I want to do is fleet up. What do you do for ISK? The only positive ISK transaction I have in the game is SRP. So my stake in all of this is if line member income stops, my fun stops.

I think the gameplay we want is very similar.
Xeno Szenn
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#215 - 2016-03-23 00:36:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Xeno Szenn
Rain6637 wrote:
I gotcha. And I don't rat, all I want to do is fleet up. What do you do for ISK? The only positive ISK transaction I have in the game is SRP. So my stake in all of this is if line member income stops, my fun stops.

I think the gameplay we want is very similar.


market trading is great. it takes very little time and you can gain massive income after you learn what your doing and the best part is since you don't undock no risk unless you make a mistake. citdels might change that but for right now passive income sources are sp farming. reaction farming never done this, and market trading. there might be others but there the ones i know of. you'll never get rich but you can pvp.

it sounds like we both enjoy doing the same thing and to be honest i'm sure people in every group enjoy what we do. this is waht amkes eve amazing is the fact that everyone can set there own end game.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#216 - 2016-03-23 01:13:25 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
Insidious.
#217 - 2016-03-23 03:12:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
So, the CFC spends a year or so metagaming with "occupancy sov" and "apex force" to crowbar their enemies completely out of any interest in ~true sov holding~.

And now the complaint is..."our enemies have no true interest in holding sov and only harass us with their worthless mallers".

Hoisted by your own petard, there.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#218 - 2016-03-23 04:21:45 UTC
Yeah that's the spin, my narrative-hungry friend. Let's not forget that small part about the contract to attack Imperium sov. So whether it's a rumored RMT banker on a love-hate trip or Mittens himself behind the ISK, it's good practice. Smug it up, though, no point in having a levelheaded discussion about a game mechanic now.
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#219 - 2016-03-23 04:25:11 UTC
Practice implies you get better at thing. You're starting to lose timers, so you might want to rethink how you're "practicing".

Sanity is fun leaving the body.

Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#220 - 2016-03-23 04:25:56 UTC
Get rid of sovereignty as a formal game mechanic. In other words, delete TCUs from the game.
There would be of course many many repercussions of such a move - but it's the ultimate form of Occupancy SOV.