EVE General Discussion

Even if it require an idiot, it's still a risk associated with the trader profession. The possibility is there. Saying there is no risk is wrong. You can reduce it tho by staying away from risky part of the markets. Gekos were always a risky investment because there was no way to ever be sure CCP would not release more and crash the price in the process. The CA-3 and CA-4 implants saw the same thing. People invested on them and it crashed when re-released. It's almost like rare items are a bad investment...

Everything that loses ISK could be considered a dumb mistake. Going into a mission with the wrong ship could be considered dumb, there is no difference between trading and pve in this regard.

Also you need to invest large sums of ISK to be successful, and so by it's very nature this is risky.

Also remember, the more risky the investment the higher the possible gains. So it is easy to call it a dumb mistake to invest in Geckos, yet those who invested when Geckos were at 25mil each would have tripled their investment if they had sold at the best price, although it could have easily gone wrong for them if CCP had released more earlier. So it's a fine line.

Try telling someone who lost all their savings on the stock market that trading is risk free. If it was then everyone would do it. You forget that the market and CCP can be completely unpredictable at times. Claiming trading is risk free is simply nonsense.

This thread is trembling underneath the crushing weight of rampant carebearism. Is there no sense of mystery anymore?

Well, there is that too - all these guides and whatnot have more or less completely removed any motivation for people to strike out on their own, not knowing what to expect but being prepared to adjust their strategies and expectations if things don't turn out the way they thought.


Bit sad, really

You always get that one ****** redeeming his PLEX elsewhere than a market hub tho.

Yes sansha is one of the best isk per hour for low risk if you completely ignore the time spent sitting around trying to get a fleet or converting the LP. During popular hours it's common to wait in queue of the good groups for an hour or even longer. I know that to "no lifers" or people with lots of free time waiting an hour before making any isk isn't a problem because you can then stay on for hours at a time afterwards (assuming the fleet stays running). For the majority of people who play this game the queue is a major destroyer of the isk per hour factor. Especially when you can make more isk per hour solo without waiting. Also the claims of one of the groups that they do +200m an hour in HQs is hilariously over-inflated. They average about 100-120m an hour based on my years of running with them. Now they do have a screenshot of like one hour of them doing it and that's it. Because it was a lightening striking six times scenario.

Properly blitzing 4s with a focus on burners will earn you more isk in hand an hour than doing incursions could ever hope for. You could in theory top 300m an hour with one account. +200m an hour is fairly easily achievable. All without waiting hours in a queue to run with people whose egos can be massively over-inflated.

What's even better and just about as risky (gankers do roam the high profit LP mission hubs) is using a bomber to do FW. You can disengage easily at any time and you cannot be caught when moving system to system. Your isk per hour when done properly is much higher than incursions.THis does require a little knowledge of how FW works and who is manipulating what. This can be learned fairly quickly by paying attention.

The other low risk high isk stuff has been mentioned and covered.

This is the reason why Exploration will most likely be my PVE activity of choice. Sure the ISK payout may be nice but the main appeal is the whole Cat & Mouse game one get's to play both with other explorers and hunters out to get me. The whole feeling of not knowing what awaits when one undocks is what makes EVE interesting.

Why don't you go play the game and find out what you enjoy doing? You might find more than one way you enjoy making isk, plus you don't look like "that guy" who makes a new forum post asking for something which there are hundreds of write-ups and forums posts about already.
On top of that, things change very quickly in this game - and sometimes with little to no notice - especially now that CCP is rolling out changes monthly. Almost anything can change on any given month.
Also, no one seemed to mention PI (or I missed it) - it won't get you filthy space rich alone, but it's a great way to make some extra isk with minimal effort on your part.
Or you could always start your own corp and set taxes to something between 5-15% and just rake in the hard work of all your chum(p)s.

We do not encourage AFK play, unless you're an AFK player. Some of these volunteered their identities in this thread. That is so funny. I'm sure, OP, it's their advice you'll follow. This is even funnier. I have but one thing to add to this rather ridiculous discussion:

Lol, no and no. Especially since the industry change, you can be up and running in a week or so, making about 30% profit on each item bought>sold or manufactured>sold. You just need a few hours to figure out what items you want to buy/sell or manufacture/sell, the market stats help with that. Once you are up and running, you can stay up and running for at least a few months, even years with industry. Just make sure your focus is on items with a high buy/sell ratio.