EVE General Discussion

you might not enjoy it but so far in both cloud ring and fade i'm having fun with it. granted i don't own sov or live in sov but at the same time. three days of actual playing with timers three days of big fights. Multiple fleets to fight and have fun agaisnt. caps and suppercaps being thrown around. So far i think this is producing more action then has happened in a long time. the attacker if they don't already own sov can always choose to show up or not show up. occupancy based sov would have complaints against it as well. No system is going to be perfect but the defender is always at the mercy of the attacker does the attacker want to fight that day yes or no. does the attacker fell like ganking a freighter today yes or no. does an attack fell like droping caps today yes or no. if the attacker dosn't fell like it they dont have to as a defender you have to respond to what an attacker does. same goes for all parts of space.

it happens in all areas of space not seeing how null is any different. I have no goals i just fight my only motivation is fighting and i don't care who i'm fighting so for me it will never realy matter what sov mechanic it is. sov wanding is no different then station grinding. shooting a pos is no different then entosising. It's alll prety much the same. As for it being imbalanced i head no one saying it was imblanced in provi or elsewhere and the general blueballl mechanic is something that has been used forever so part of the game at this point.

with occupancy sov as full occupancy they should remove i hubs and tcu's that way whoever lives there owns it. Granted then anyone can dock anywhere but if you live in an area and are strong enough then nuets in local or station isn't an issue you just kill them. I honestly have no skin in the game for sov or for this supposed big war thats everyones talking about. The main issues i see with fozzie sov is both sides run more then they fight again it's a part of the game and something i do as well. timers arew the only reason people seem to fight so if you take them away then there would be no fights. Not once have i seen you guys engage unless a timer or cap was on the line. granted if the fights not to my liking i don't fight either so we need someway of forcing fights.

reading the somethingsuful fourms on it sounds like people are wanting to blueball and make attaking or defending sov unfun as well. again nothing worng with this tactic and it's very useful but if thats the mindset of everyone blueball, harrass, or win then something needs to force people to fight

Sure it is. Taking sov as a solo player should not be possible, and to see it through, generally isn't. But sov wanding only allows one person to contribute while everyone else just sits there and waits. MMOs that have only one player able to perform a task aren;t very MMO -like.

Provi was proof of this. Split groups being attacked by bother the resident and every other group trying to dogpile in to get them out and still over half the timers trashed in 3 days. Now the mechanics are understood it would be even worse the next time round and the only thing holding people back is the inability to deploy without giving up your own sov. Blueball mechanics have always been bad, but people do what they can to win. People expect CCP to close those gaps though, not to promote them into actual mechanics.

Yup, those structures would not really be needed. Stations would be owned and controlled by whoever owned the system containing them, though I full expect stations to get scrapped in favour of citadels in the long run, in which case they can be put anywhere anyway.

That's going to be the case under any mehcnaic. Forcing fights isn't a good idea espeically in game designed to be sandbox, so what they need to do is give a reason to fight strong enugh to get both sides to do it. Defenders have to fight timers to save their space, so that's one side of it, but attackers have no reason to fight, absolutely nothing on the line, so they can just up and run at any moment. That's what needs to be fixed, both sides should have a reason to fight.

Full occupancy sov does the opposite though, it gives you nothing if you run and loses you nothing if the opposign side runs, so in order for an attacker to progress they would have to use the system and in order for a defender to keep their system so would they, which promotes organic fights.

Again implying that the largest coalition in the game can't find the players to cover timers

CFC weaponized boredom, so CCP made the mechanics boredom based. Now the CFC are complaining that their enemies are using boredom.


Is bootiful.

The problem kinda is with the developers. SMA or not, whatever alliance you are in, sov involves watching one guy firing a mining laser at a structure. The only way to escape that is not to bother with sov, which tells me the sov mechanic is broken since game mechanics are supposed to be designed to be entertaining.

As for shark infested, it would be better if that were the case as they would be less likely to run away when people show up for fights. We have basically no chance of losing sov, since whether someone with isk was pissed off or not, to take sov the attacker have to see the timers through. They don't which is basically the whole problem. Attackers spend nothing half contesting the sov then running away. They don't actually want sov since they are just fighting for the e-honor of a guaranteed RMTer anyway, so they don't have to commit to the fight. Defenders on the other had have to commit every time.

At the end of the day though CCP know it's rubbish which is why they've already scrapped it for citadels, we likely just have to bear with bad mechanics until citadels are ready to replace them.

How about active entosis causing ZERO speed, like a cyno or a seige module?

A single frigate can still lazor, but can't run away while doing it. Don't really understand why running away should even be an option when you're contesting something that -should- be meaningful, such as SOV.

IIRC, the dev's objective was to award SOV to the side that 'holds the field'. You can't hold the field if you run away, can you?


Probably this idea has been discussed several times: if it's bad, can someone tell me why?

you keep saying an rmter and it keeps getting thrown around but no one offers prof that this is the case. The spin towards this even being a war at this point is also something that doesn’t aid the conversation on sov mechanics in general. From your point of view, I’m sure it feels like a siege or a war. From my point of view, it’s just content and ways to get the fights we want. We win some we lose some but it’s just a fight. Nothing any more meaningful then that to me. Your no different than fighting snuff in low sec or anyone else.

You keep saying the attacker should commit and I’ll quote the Mattanis fireside chat last night “we owe you nothing”. So the question has to be raised why does the attacker owe you anything? If both sides owe the other nothing then any use of the mechanics available to them is encouraged and smart to do. The great thing about eve and the worst thing about eve is the meta game. Ever mechanic has to balance both the in game numbers and the meta game. Don’t get me wrong any group that says they don’t play the meta game knowingly or unknowingly is delusional at best.
I like your idea of citadels being the core of sov if when they were destroyed everything was lost like it would be in wormholes. That system there would be the crux of risk to reward for me because then the attacker has to defend or they lose everything but they get to set the times when they defend. Can that work in a system without etnosis, I hub, tcus, or even your name on the map they could remove all of that fairly easily. And it could be a better system again I wouldn’t mind fighting in tidi every fleet and having massive fights ever3ytime I log in.
I think instead of having a spin zone or propaganda and I’m sure my words are being thought of as propaganda as well we need an honest discussion of game mechanics. No matter what mechanics they introduce its going to hurt someone and we have to adapt to it.

As for fighting back against entosis ships it takes a warmup cycle and then another cycle to entosis so lets say 10 minutes worst case an hour best cases. If you have dudes in those systems during the window they can hunt down and destroy the entsoiser’s. Kitting is always going to be a part of the game and something that is smart for small groups to do. Siegefleet is also something that fits into this category. Weponized boredom and fighting smart is something they can’t remove form the game. Unless they make wow style battlefields if fighting gains, you nothing why commit for either side.

I do think your occupancy sov idea has some merit and whoever can do x,y,and z while having the strength to keep people from docking there owns it. Make sov almost like npc null and you have to defend your stations and use your space. It gives everyone the ability to attack and everyone the ability to live in their space.

Show me on the doll where Fozzie touched your afk ratting empire