Crime & Punishment

The Macherial risked nothing effectively serving the purpose of a warp scram for 5-10 minutes without any kind of aggression I consider game breaking. Being held hostage on a hisec gate preventing from warping off when the loss this big coupled with network and launcher issues is enough for me to stop playing. Game shouldn't be this intense when you don't know what the rules are.

Until CCP has an official stance rather than playing fast and loose "judging case by case" on holding people hostage without repercussion, I wont resub. I just started playing about a month ago after 3 years and lost a freighter the first day I fly it. No thanks.

If the Macherial scrammed and killed me and got CONCORDED then we wouldn't be having this discussion and I'd move on. Or if we were in Null. It feels like every time I find out what the rules are it costs a billion. And they happen in Hisec.

Solyaris seems to have a lot whine going on these days.


You wouldn't be from Texas would you?

My intention ultimatly was to give away free stuff to my streamers.

Don't stream without a delay or someone will stream snipe you. Is it just me or do you only learn this game through loss?

You think you have an understanding of how to play this game but clearly I don't. Most of my experience revolves around null sec and there anything goes. Rules are made by you and your corp/alliance. We know what to expect. But hisec is a freaking scary place.

I understand that If I'm attacked and lose my ship, CONCORD will kill you too, so okay that makes sense. You have to have an equivalent ship right. wrong. ganking favors the gankers. Learn that everytime my miner got suicide ganked. I'm not against miner bumping, I say if your afk your open game go head. The assumption is a noob isn't going to fly a hulk and experience a 200 mil loss being ignorant of the mining hazards. Except I question my understanding of this game so the assumption may be wrong.

First day freighter pilot with no experience doing it. I always read that as long as you don't AFK you'll be fine travelling in hisec. Freighters are tanky. SAFE! This is clearly incorrect. I thought they warp in front of you when you land in the system, and when you land at the out gate at 15km they bump you off and then blap you. Thats pretty clear to me except this is clearly not what I experienced.

This is the first time I've ever come across hearing a Macherial holding someone hostage on the warp in gate itself. Even the forum posts arent clear on this. The Eve University Hauling guide doesn't cover this either which I don't know about the rest of you, but it's were I atleast get a lot of my info from. It apparently does not cover things like how to check routes with the map.

I'm seeing posts of people saying to use a webbing alt you'll be fine, this is totally wrong, I had a webbing alt, it doesn't matter. Other people will confirm this. once your taken hostage and a Macherial bumps you on gate, there is no escape regardless of a webbing alt. You will die.

That kind of leads me to an underlying issue with this game. People don't seem to have a clear understanding of it either. There's a lot misinformation or at the least, partial information. What I learned in this thread, was amazing I had absolutely no idea. These suggestions have given me much more insight and are appreciated. I just wish it didn't cost a billion every time I learn how the game works.

In this instance it's much more than just losing a billion the first day as a freighter pilot, its learning that a Macherial with no consequence or risk can prevent you from playing this game in high security space. It is not clear, it should be called high security space with loopholes and hostage bumping.

Does someone teach you guys this stuff or is there infact an "instruction manual" on how to play this game somewhere? The problem is I dont know what questions to ask, or is the only way to learn how to play is to lose? And here I thought Dota 2 was complicated to learn.

This brutal learning curve is why Eve is special.

Eve has no compelling storyline. The NPC mobs aren't even arguably dangerous. It is, quite simply, a box of sand.

When you log into Eve, you are paying to enter a sandbox with the current occupants. Some are nice. Some are sociopaths. They are creating the storyline, goals, risks, etc... It is a microcosm of our alter egos.

They are not controllable but they can be beaten. However, they are not amateurs and you are unlikely to beat them first try (whether it be in freightering, market, or pew).

It's brutal. I still shake after I fight and I've been pvp for years. I've lost a lot over those years, but I've won a bit too.

That's what you have to look forward to in this game. If it's not for you, we understand. We have all rage logged at some point because we lost more than we wanted to.

I think I've quit the game at least half a dozen times.

It's still the only game I know that creates a level of immersion that makes you want to throw-up for two hours after a bad loss. I've also been unable to sleep for hours after a good win. That's what we pay for.

I agree code and the current MERC structure are unbalanced, but that is the outcome of the Retribution patch in 2012...

I hated the retribution patch.

You're right what you about this game, but it can also reward in equal amount, you say you have had loses in your corp to, try and learn from this, and remember there are people fighting these gankers when they can and sometimes we win.

If you need any tips on corp security and setups, plenty of people here can help, you can always ask here about offers of help if you don't know people, HoleySheet1 was even offering his services for free a short time ago, the guy can be a right pain sometimes but he's a very skilled player by all accounts

Any way good luck with EvE and fly safe

Ps you asked how we learn, I as many here, have a lot of years in EvE, I also have had very good teacher in all aspects of eve life, other than worm holes, I think EvE is about learning to learn, do that well and you will get on, every day you log in it can lead to a new story just as your freighter loss lead you here.

I think I was unclear. What I meant to say is I sympathize with your pain, but that you received the product you paid for.

You don't understand engagement mechanics because you have been avoiding engagements.

It's hard to learn the rules of any game if you don't play it.

The solution isn't a nerf, it's to pvp enough to learn the basics of how it works.

A couple dozen cheap frigates is cheaper than a freighter... And more fun to lose.

....amazing.

Hi Shae,

Perhaps you'd be kind enough to to post an explanatory fit or two for the OP's benefit and mine?

Thanks!

Never ceases to amaze me how different people react to similar situations.

It was unexpected violence that compelled me to get interested in the more dangerous parts of Eve. Rather than be a victim of it, I owned it and made it a tool for myself. Other people fold up and leave the game because someone found a way to kill them that they didn't see coming.

B.. but you never trained me Mo, and I'm still bloodthirsty ;_;