EVE General Discussion

Any reason behind such an emotional response?

Its the only solution really, nothing else would work.

I Have to agree with him in that it's not as bad as you think.

Usually the reason you are being locked by more than 10 people is to get on a killmail. Anything subcap, more than 10 locks for dps is a waste.

I think we need to go third party to find an answer for this. When you see fleet summary sheets on kill boards, they show all pilots that were there and in fleet. It also shows what system the fight took place in. Sov holders and alliances that are part of NAP coalitions to defend Sov need to establish better priorities on what value killmails have and what value being on one provides a player.

Add On If there is something large alliances can learn here it's that the standard of a good pilot being on alot of killmails is flawed because farming killmails in EVE is almost too easy.

The "reason" behind "the alpha problem" is twofold:
1) logistics. You have to burn through logistics.
2) The side which first reduces the applicable DPS output of the other fleet sufficiently so their own logistics can easily keep up, wins. Spreading fire across multiple targets means you take out larger chunks out of the other fleet at a time, but the other fleet has more DPS for longer. Unless, of course, the other fleet has enough logistics to counter the incoming DPS on each ship being hit.

Alpha isn't "the problem", it's the response to another game feature, which again isn't necessarily "a problem".

Depends on what you count as a loss. We might lose the entire fleet but so long as we kill more isk worth of ships we are happy.

It was our own mistake that killed us in the end so tbh, EVE doesnt need changed as its good pilots make all the difference. Some of the best pilots are in fact nubs as they dont have any bad habbits and think they are invincible so they know no fear. Stick them in a rifter, teach them all you know, take them on roams and you will quickly have a good pilot.

I want to :facepalm: so hard right now. Quit begging CCP to change things, Quit it. The entire problem is the EVE Community.

We can compare current fleet doctrines to current fast food chains. It is easier to throw several lesser skilled pilots into a heap we call a fleet and tell them what to shoot. Just worry about anchoring on X and shooting A, B and C.

There is nothing preventing a group if highly skilled and experienced players from developing tactics that are far more efficient and far more tactical.

The problem then is trying to find a group of highly skilled and experienced players. :lol:


The general homogenizing of everything in EVE in the interest of "fairness" will only serve to eliminate tactical options and opportunities. This is a sandbox FFS start playing it like one. /rant

The main thing here that needs to be changed is SOV mechanics. And probably titan guns, but I'll leave that for someone else to ***** about.

Total supported, anchored primary fights are ****.

-CJ

OP, I don't really see how to fix this at all. Its the same in all games. The most effective tactics is to consentrate firepower to take ships, tanks, or whatever (depending on the game) out as quickly as possible = less return fire.

You really should come up with some ideas of your own, something spesific. Not just if everyone agrees CCP will fix it. I don't see how to fix it unless they make ships have so little HP that its a waste to have several ships targeting the same enemy ship. But that "solution" would totally break the game.

double-face-palm because one is not enough ..
Nobody is asking for any particular change..

This is a sandbox FFS. .. ok i want fit 1400mm on an rifter and want to fly 1mil m/s with perfect tracking and instalock .. Its sandbox FFS ..
Sandbox with rules, rules which are in some areas obsolete and provides nothing for anyone. Deal with it. DD AoE ? SC ? nano-nerf? anyone?

And yes problem is find highly skilled and experience players, because there is no way to become highly skilled and experienced unless you really really go for it.. Blob wars does not provide experience or any skill beyond listening, its actually not an game ..

There is no reason whatsoever to change anything in the EVE since 2008 ... it works somehow, even if badly it works..
Why improve something if the current system works... its not perfect but it works.. lets not try to make it fun.. that is forbidden ..because EVE is serious business.

And as i wrote before, blobing will still happen. But there will be more destruction on both sites because it wont be as simple as today.. speaking of actual combat.. not the prior campaign to make it happen.

if you want more interesting fleet battles get a decent FC

why is everyone so obsessed with changing the game mechanics because another player made you mad, or didn't perform to your expectations?

you cant expect CCP to code stupidity and lazyness out of EVE
you have to take the initiative and create a better game for yourself from the glorious sandbox we have

when we raged on CCPs treasure fleet we flew in wings, and each wing had their own WC and they took orders from the FC, the result was an (almost) perfect ballet of SB runs.

but hold on... just getting to that point required serious thought, planning, intel and yes... TACTICS

no it wasn't a blob, but even smaller fleets still do the overview boogie and alpha primaries so I don't see the huge difference
now I saw something posted here that mentioned a resist mod to help a ship survive alphas, we already have it, its called logi

Naval tactics work pretty much the same
when to TFs or fleets close and engage its all about sending fire downrange and taking out the most dangerous elements first

smoke and zigzag is evasive and a borderline tactic
screening is tactical may have some benefit in eve, but it requires LOF rules which I'm loath to consider