Crime & Punishment

Macherial Bumped. Couldn't align to get off even with a webber or get back to the gate. Windows became stuck, may have been a stuck key. Game crashed ie Socket Error and launcher refused to launch client again until after restarting launcher. Watched through my webber who was not disconnected as my charon did not warp off and popped before I could even log back in.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/52674500/

First day flying a freighter. unsubbed.

Frankly, that Charon being wiped out was a mercy for the whole New Eden cluster given the amount of rubbish it was carrying. What a shame

Freighters have no midslot modules that can be activated

You flew your Charon thru Uedama, when at that time already some hundred ships have been ganked. Seriously? Your webber was popped too, i assume
You would have been popped anyways with our without your game crash! That's as sure as there comes Sunday after Saturday!
When there is a huge red circle around Uedama in your map, don't go there.

Btw, next time buy a permit, it's just 10M and you'll survive.

Oh I just won't bother buying another freighter. I'll extract the JF skills and put them toward something else. It's pointless. I've played this game for 2 years. It's not like doing a haven 14.3 au from a stargate. There is always some exploit or edge play or some mistake that's costly. I don't even know what red circle your talking about.

It was a courier contract to myself. Was consolidating items in various stations to be sold in Amarr. It was my first day flying in a freighter. My understanding was don't AFK and come at 15km at the gate. The fact that you can be killed at the gate itself is a 1 billion isk lesson or in my case, 25-50 hours of work.

Freightering is pointless. If I do station hauling from jita to amarr, I lose all my profit in taxes. If I accept public courier contracts, they want 1 billion isk collateral for 3 million isk reward and to have a 1.4 billion ship. I heard jump freightering is very profitable, but that requires a 7 billion isk investment which I dont even come close to. Whats the point?

There seems to be some confusion, I only know CODE as an alliance listed on DOTLAN. I have not played the game in 3 years. I don't know what this permit is you speak of. I wasn't AFK, I had a webber as well. They asked me to pay them 300 million which I did not have and was certain they would kill me anyway. scam.

nvm

Indeed.


You're obviously aware of the See and Pee subforum - even a cursory glance through the first couple of pages would've clued you onto the existence of the permit scheme and the innumerable ganks thereof. But at least you are now forearmed with the knowledge of your future safety!

I appreciate your post. Though I won't be flying freighters anymore, it seems the learning curve continues to be excessive in my personal opinion.

A Macherial should not be allowed to hold you hostage indefinitely without absolutely no risk whatsoever to said Macherial. To me this is the very definition of exploit.. This may very well be sanctioned by CCP and within the rules of the game. I can find another game.

I think there's a larger issue here, is a game should be enjoyable, not make you upset because the rules are not so clear. We recently lost a Rattlesnake in corp because he wasn't watching local and intel channels properly and got hot dropped on, now he cant do sites. He is a new guy. The theme of this game appears to be learning it is costly. I feel the reward does not outweigh the risk.

What are my options? Shield incursions in high sec, nice isk but highly repetitive. Roamin PVP is highly enjoyable. I fall asleep during hot drops because waiting 2 hours in a pos for someone to locate a target is boring. Faction Warfare was entertaining but being insta blapped at gates and stations by loki's or tornados is irritating. Ratting is repetitive and you always have to be vigilant. Missions are probably least risk and Mining in Osmon, 2 hours and someone will suicide gank you in a catalyst. Hauling and Hauling trading appears to be pointless. JF? Lucrative if you but requires a 7 bil investment. Station trading? why bother undocking? Other than fleet pvp in frigates and cruisers, everything else is either repetitive or the risk doesn't equal the reward. Exploration? Need skills, WH data sites are very inconsitent, and when I found one manticore showed up and blew me away. Nullsec data sites? bunch of reds ended up in system, warped to pos, can instapopped my new fitted ship 40 mil boom.

I feel like this game is very restrictive, encourages questionable mechanics and punishes you harshly for making mistakes.

Don't fly anything you can't afford to lose, I agree, but this goes back to reward vs risk right? Expecting to fly a freighter beyond a single day is apparently an unacceptable amount of risk for absolutely no reward. Then I see buy orders for 60 plex's in jita and just think to myself, WTF.