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Force Fozzie to attend every sov defense fleet
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Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2016-03-18 16:23:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Terminal Insanity
i dont think ccp has any clue how boring these sov defense fleets are.

We need them to be required, as part of their job description, to attend the sov defense fleets so they get an idea of how absurdly boring these are.

If you just join one or two "to see how it is" you're not going to fully understand how much it makes you want to smash your head against a wall after 6 months of the same **** every day.

I do not believe any CCP plays daily in a sov alliance. Theres no way they'd knowingly allow their own game to be this bad.

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#2 - 2016-03-18 16:33:08 UTC
I was instructed to shoot anything not blue.

So I entosised everything in the one system in this constellation we didn't have.

Got into a ton of trouble from my own diplomat.

It was fun until then. lol

@lunettelulu7
Travis Uchonela
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2016-03-18 16:36:12 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
i dont think ccp has any clue how boring these sov defense fleets are.

We need them to be required, as part of their job description, to attend the sov defense fleets so they get an idea of how absurdly boring these are.

If you just join one or two "to see how it is" you're not going to fully understand how much it makes you want to smash your head against a wall after 6 months of the same **** every day.

I do not believe any CCP plays daily in a sov alliance. Theres no way they'd knowingly allow their own game to be this bad.


That's odd; the guys in the Horde fleet couldn't stop talking about how much fun it was last night. Do you think it has anything to do with being in a dumpster alliance?
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2016-03-18 16:40:37 UTC
Travis Uchonela wrote:

That's odd; the guys in the Horde fleet couldn't stop talking about how much fun it was last night. Do you think it has anything to do with being in a dumpster alliance?


No. this could be done to any alliance. If horde was doing the same thing to PL you'd be posting the same threads as SMA are right now.

Ether horde is unable to take any sov from us, in which case the 24/7/365 defense fleets are obscene and should be reduced, or
horde has no intention of taking sov from us, in which case, they shouldn't be able to force us to make 24/7/365 defense fleets to respond

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Travis Uchonela
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2016-03-18 16:43:53 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
Travis Uchonela wrote:

That's odd; the guys in the Horde fleet couldn't stop talking about how much fun it was last night. Do you think it has anything to do with being in a dumpster alliance?


horde has no intention of taking sov from us, in which case, they shouldn't be able to force us to make 24/7/365 defense fleets to respond


CCP we're going to need you to make Horde play the game the way we want them to. Thanks in advance.
Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
#6 - 2016-03-18 16:43:57 UTC
Hold less sov
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2016-03-18 16:55:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Terminal Insanity
Aaron Honk wrote:
Hold less sov


That wont do anything.

SMA is one of the few alliances who actually use the sov they hold. I remember posts actually congratulating sma for being one of the only alliances who use the sov they hold.

But sure, we reduce our sov down to 4 systems. Then what? we do the saaaaame thing, for those 4 systems. 20 times a day we form up and sit around for a fight that doesnt happen.

im sure its fun to jump in, try to kick the beehive and then run away.... but look at it from the other side. We constantly form up fleets and login 20 times a day to sit around and watch a timer count down.

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#8 - 2016-03-18 16:59:47 UTC
I'm still not sure how this was any different from the past version of SOV. Shoot structures in low cost, hi dps bombers, run from any enemy fleet and be unable to bring caps because the stronger powers will just come and wipe them out from across New Eden or entios the world in an interceptor. Really doesn't seem much different. Let's go back to the old POS SOV m but make sure each system has a gas giant or three with 20 moons each.

No matter what, sov is going to be a grind. It takes work to defend or claim space. What form of work doesn't change the fact that it will still be work.
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2016-03-18 17:08:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Terminal Insanity
Travis Uchonela wrote:
CCP we're going to need you to make Horde play the game the way we want them to. Thanks in advance.

You realize there were different incarnations of sov, right? couldnt the same be said for anyone who likes fozziesov? Thanks for forcing us all to play the way you want us to play?
All im saying is the current system is simply unfun. Nobody enjoys logging in for these fleets. We only do it because its required for the other things we do. Its simply unfun. Not fun. Boring. zzzzZzzZZZzz. Not a videogame.

Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
I'm still not sure how this was any different from the past version of SOV. Shoot structures in low cost, hi dps bombers, run from any enemy fleet and be unable to bring caps because the stronger powers will just come and wipe them out from across New Eden or entios the world in an interceptor. Really doesn't seem much different. Let's go back to the old POS SOV m but make sure each system has a gas giant or three with 20 moons each.

No matter what, sov is going to be a grind. It takes work to defend or claim space. What form of work doesn't change the fact that it will still be work.


This is supposed to be a game, though. Its supposed to be fun. When 95% of your fleets are boring, and result in no fights, that is not fun. that is no longer a game.

Imagine sitting down and playing a game of monopoly with your family, never buying properties, never charging rent, never landing on go. Thats what we do here in sov land... 20 times each day.

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#10 - 2016-03-18 17:10:55 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
but look at it from the other side
You are asking far too much of most of these players.

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Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#11 - 2016-03-18 17:50:17 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
Travis Uchonela wrote:
CCP we're going to need you to make Horde play the game the way we want them to. Thanks in advance.

You realize there were different incarnations of sov, right? couldnt the same be said for anyone who likes fozziesov? Thanks for forcing us all to play the way you want us to play?
All im saying is the current system is simply unfun. Nobody enjoys logging in for these fleets. We only do it because its required for the other things we do. Its simply unfun. Not fun. Boring. zzzzZzzZZZzz. Not a videogame.

Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
I'm still not sure how this was any different from the past version of SOV. Shoot structures in low cost, hi dps bombers, run from any enemy fleet and be unable to bring caps because the stronger powers will just come and wipe them out from across New Eden or entios the world in an interceptor. Really doesn't seem much different. Let's go back to the old POS SOV m but make sure each system has a gas giant or three with 20 moons each.

No matter what, sov is going to be a grind. It takes work to defend or claim space. What form of work doesn't change the fact that it will still be work.


This is supposed to be a game, though. Its supposed to be fun. When 95% of your fleets are boring, and result in no fights, that is not fun. that is no longer a game.

Imagine sitting down and playing a game of monopoly with your family, never buying properties, never charging rent, never landing on go. Thats what we do here in sov land... 20 times each day.


And what I'm saying is that it is no different during the past iterations of SOV mechanics. POS bashing when the number of POSes in system determined SOV sucked. Huge EHP structure grinds were just as bad. No iteration has been fun for all involved. It may just be that part of owning SOV and enjoying all that brings. Granted, some of that joy is based on the skills and support of the group owning SOV. Still, sov is work. Keeping it, defending it, claiming it, taking it, it's work. If you don't like it, try something else, because it will always take work.

And yeah each form of SOV had its own pain, but such is the path you chose.
Genoir
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2016-03-18 17:50:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Genoir
Apart from passing Go everytime you shoot a rat, mine a rock, run an anom, charging rent everytime that ticker drops the corp tax into the corp wallet, etc, etc.

Dropping sov to a manageable level would allow you a better chance to stop the initial entosis attack in the first place, something I'm suprised you're unable to do seeing as you already use all your space.
Travis Uchonela
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2016-03-18 17:54:21 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
Travis Uchonela wrote:
CCP we're going to need you to make Horde play the game the way we want them to. Thanks in advance.



This is supposed to be a game, though. Its supposed to be fun. When 95% of your fleets are boring, and result in no fights, that is not fun. that is no longer a game.

Imagine sitting down and playing a game of monopoly with your family, never buying properties, never charging rent, never landing on go. Thats what we do here in sov land... 20 times each day.


If you have qualms with weaponised boredom you're in the wrong coalition. I don't remember complaints like this when you guys used siege fleet in Fountain. This system is far more fun than chasing bombers around. If you held less sov you'd have less timers and it would be easier to defend what you have. You have 35,000 allies; get good.
eubin scammed
SHAZB0T
#14 - 2016-03-18 17:54:41 UTC
Like I said to the last guy to from SMA to make complaints about fozzeisov: have you tried getting out of the trashcan?
Removal Tool
ElitistOps
Snuffed Out
#15 - 2016-03-18 17:58:01 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
Aaron Honk wrote:
Hold less sov


That wont do anything.

SMA is one of the few alliances who actually use the sov they hold. I remember posts actually congratulating sma for being one of the only alliances who use the sov they hold.



lol, confirmed carebear alliance.

Too many ratters/miners, not enough fighters.
Removal Tool
ElitistOps
Snuffed Out
#16 - 2016-03-18 18:00:00 UTC
Travis Uchonela wrote:


If you have qualms with weaponised boredom you're in the wrong coalition. I don't remember complaints like this when you guys used siege fleet in Fountain. This system is far more fun than chasing bombers around. If you held less sov you'd have less timers and it would be easier to defend what you have. You have 35,000 allies; get good.


what he said.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#17 - 2016-03-18 18:12:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Its just a ganker-freighter hyperdunking relationship but blown up in scale. Freighter cant tank forever, and ganker can nibble hp of the freighter until it collapses.

From what I see, its an aggresion and destruction promoting mechanism. It promotes attrition warfare that drags everyone to the same level, you just have to go and do the same to attackers, because waiting and defending is not a valid way of doing that kind of fighting. For people who want to defend Its not pleasant. I understand people who would complain about it.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2016-03-18 18:13:57 UTC
Travis Uchonela wrote:
Terminal Insanity wrote:
Travis Uchonela wrote:
CCP we're going to need you to make Horde play the game the way we want them to. Thanks in advance.



This is supposed to be a game, though. Its supposed to be fun. When 95% of your fleets are boring, and result in no fights, that is not fun. that is no longer a game.

Imagine sitting down and playing a game of monopoly with your family, never buying properties, never charging rent, never landing on go. Thats what we do here in sov land... 20 times each day.


If you have qualms with weaponised boredom you're in the wrong coalition. I don't remember complaints like this when you guys used siege fleet in Fountain. This system is far more fun than chasing bombers around. If you held less sov you'd have less timers and it would be easier to defend what you have. You have 35,000 allies; get good.


What if I think both case of weaponized boredom are horrible symptom of bad systems that promote it?
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2016-03-18 18:33:51 UTC
move to npc corp and go to highsec, there fixed eve for sma

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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#20 - 2016-03-18 18:41:57 UTC
this QQ threads are just inviting more people to mess with you.

if you are not enjoying anymore, please quit EvE, better for the game, really.

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