EVE General Discussion

RIP SMA o7

Noone will miss you.

Something something "We're not here to ruin the game, we're here to ruin YOUR game"

Seriously tho, while wandsov isn't particularly inspired, its still better than the bs that came before it.

You (SMA) chose systems to claim. You chose the vulnerability windows. You're part of the largest coalition in the game. Get your shtako together.

Those comments coming from PH who didn't even defend 1 systems and moonwalked out BEFORE the announcement of our attack was made is pure gold. Can't you see the system at least have issue when your alliance decided to pack up and leave instead of even trying to defend it's systems? Why was reddit so proud of this? Was that move OP what you call "getting your shtako togethers"? I really want to know if you think that's how it's supposed to be done.

Have you ever come across the proverb "You can't have your cake and eat it"? I think this applies to SMA.

You're talking about the bastard children of a nomadic alliance... in less than a year we've moved several times. What gives you the impression sov for us is more than just a place to hang our hats?

Also, not sure why its "gold" as I don't recall us complaining about sov mechanics. If we had whined and were now making fun of SMA for whining then sure... but... nope.

Sorry OP but your in the second largest alliance in game and the largest coalition stop moaning about defending your ****...if you dont want to defend it then move back to highsec.... its far easier to defend than attack the nodes regenerate on their own so if they truely dont want sov like you say then whats the issue the nodes will regen themselves?

if you are unable to pull a small group together out of 3000+ people in alliance and 20k+ in coalition then you dont deserve the space just because you had the space before the new mechanics doesnt mean its your stop bitching about having to defend your space and do something about it.... if its only a small group then you shouldnt have an issue defending should you.

if you want to mine in peace go to highsec, if you want to rat in peace go back to highsec... you should understand this when you moved out here this isnt highsec go defend your own **** or go home.

your one of the largest groups about and your complaining about having to defend you dont see the smaller groups complaining they just deal with it or move on...

this is a sandbox game you have to adapt to whats happening at any time...If you want to play exactly how you want there is games like farmville you can play...

Of course you didn't complain since you didn't even try it. I think both side of the system are bad. Running to every boor bell in defense is stupid and being able to burn down an entire region in a week sound just as stupid to me. The entire thing right now has 2 way doing it. You completely overwhelm your opponent and burn his **** to the ground in one relatively quick way or you play ding dong ditch often enough to make their patience burn away. The system was supposed to prevent weaponized boredom but it's still a strategy people can employ.

It makes me laugh when I read the comments here, its so easy to see ego and smite coming out in some of the replies rather than actual meaningful discussion.

Having been on both sides of the Entosis Mechanic with several alliances, I hate the bloody thing. I used to enjoy getting involved in the system bash, where proper fleets engaged over system timers. This "Hacking" of Timers just isn't Sov Warfare. Yes systems have become easier to attack, yes Defenders now have a reason to actually use the system, All good points, however we are seeing more and more harassment than actual warfare.

The mechanic has gone from one of large scale alliance warfare where fleets were put head to head against each other and both attackers and defenders each had to commit forces to the field to force the objective, to one where defenders have everything to loose and attackers have nothing and the game mechanic has switched from warfare to Trolling and Tear farming.

No matter what Alliance is defending, Campers, multiple single attackers, and Entosis saturation will wear down ANY Alliance, It will drive down ADM's, it will increase the vulnerability windows and eventually lead to the system being threatened, that is a given. However as the OP originally in a round about way pointed out, it also leads to burnout and frustration.

Half the time now when these situations start, I just log off, not because I'm lazy or incompetent, but because I honestly have better things to do than sit here spending my limited hours of the day on Eve doing nothing but chasing single attackers away every 5 minutes. This system lends its support to the small gang attacker whos sole interest is to feed internet trolls and has no interest in Sov, no reason to use it, but to create harassment and feed the Reddit war because they get Tears. More immaturity than actual game play.

What I want to see is proper warfare over systems again, Yes the old system favored the Big alliances and Coalitions, and ideally wasn't the best thing, but atleast it was fun and enjoyable and gave a reason to log in!, The current system while having good points, equals nothing but frustration, boredom and eventually leads to people logging off, or ignoring the timers until the point comes where they MUST show up to the timer to save the system, hence throwing overwhelming numbers just to saturate the system.

I welcomed the new Sov mechanic when it arrived, because it was different and it offered an interesting change, however after fighting it from both sides for months I gave up on it, and stopped involving myself in it. I'm a Nullsec pilot, I have zero interest in highsec and Lowsec, I enjoy the Null environment however I'm finding myself logging into comms and ignoring the game more and more.

My 2 cents.

It doesn't really matter what sov system is in place, 40k coalition vs 2k (at that time) newbro group was never going to be defended. Unless you wanted to us to hang around perma docked or just show newbros what its like to welp over and over again I'm not sure what you expected.

As for the current system, yes, there are several ways for it to be played. Not sure why thats supposed to be a bad thing.

Have you stopped and considered that your coalition literally developed the prototype of this kind of warfare? Weaponized boredom and all that? You are complaining about multiple harassing attacks that are designed to weaken and exhaust the enemy.....a tactic the CFC has used itself?

You say that the attackers won't lose much more than the ship they are flying but what about their time? Oh heaven forbid you have to spend your time defending but you never really put much thought into the time the attackers have put into attacking.

If you cannot handle the amount of timers you currently have, then reduce your sov. Become smaller/more manageable. If you cannot handle the attacks that are happening, then leave sov and regroup. You are not some special butterfly where you get to have the mechanics changed because you don't like them. TEST, IRON, D2, BoB, LV, BRUCE, and countless others got removed from Null over even worse mechanics then what we have now. Seriously....quit your b******** and deal with it.