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[FDU] [GMVA] Request for information on Caldari incursion in Akidagi

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John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#21 - 2016-03-17 16:23:55 UTC
Ah.. yes I almost forgot you existed Monsieur Soter. As for your demand for information, I suspect that the Caldari Navy was in place to react to elements such as the Guristas in a quicker pace then their Federation counterparts. A simple answer that no doubt you will take offense to.

Oh and do remember its called occupation, far from the likes of 'conquest' or 'liberation'.

Ishukone Loyalist - Private Contractor

"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#22 - 2016-03-17 16:39:13 UTC
Ayallah;

There is a difference between respecting a man and respecting an organization.

I have a great deal of respect for the Villore Accords as an organization.

However, surely you and I would both agree that organizations are not maintained by figureheads, but instead by the administrators and members who carry forward its objectives. I don't know much about the internal organization or structure of the Villore Accords, but I strongly suspect that much of the day-to-day work is in fact taken on by other pilots.

With that said, however, I have little respect for Soter for the reasons outlined above.

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Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#23 - 2016-03-17 22:31:37 UTC
Lucas Raholan wrote:
Julianus Soter wrote:


As loyal supporters and defenders of the Federation, the Villore Accords and her allies request a formal explanation from the Federation Navy why it was a Caldari task force, not a Federal one, that intercepted this convoy, and why the Federation allows the Caldari State to police territory that has been won through rights of liberation and conquest.


Thoun Gaterau wrote:
I will also add, that due to the simply astonishing level of incompetence and unprofessionalism, the Federal Administration will regard you as incapable of command from here forward, and will defer our communications to other loyalist parties who serve in the Federation's best interests.

If Villore Accords seek to elect a replacement leader who exhibits competence and reliability that the Federation can count on, we will reconsider this position.

source: Offical response to FOI request from Soter himself

Tell me again about how you are a loyal representative of the Gallente Federation, in fact the last public communication from the Federal government was to call you out as exhibiting as quoted above 'astonishing level of incompetence and unprofessionalism

Ms Priano is correct in her observations that you are nothing more then a pandering warlord, and given you clearly failed to prevent some freighters crossing your territory nor the Caldari response, coupled with your failed 'Blockade' also rather evidently not a very good one it seems. I suggest you take yourself somewhere more suited to your obvious lack of talent, backbone or professionalism. May I suggest Callie's infamous Red Light district I hear you heathens pay a pretty penny for 'war heroes'



Oh dear me, this one made me laugh. An Imperial Loyalist references a Black Eagles operative as a reliable source against me. I take it as a badge of honor that the Imperials, the slaver scum of the Cluster, hate me so bitterly.

My opinions regarding the Black Eagles are well known. I believe them to be a cancer eating away at the heart of Gallente democracy. Their vindictive and utterly meaningless messages against me after I revealed the military escalation between the Minmatar Republic and Gallente Federation was in no doubt directly related to this.

Of course, if we investigate that incident more in depth, you will note, I transmitted the intelligence about Federation Navy deployments to the general public, in order to avoid a direct military confrontation and encourage a peaceful solution to the situation. In other words, I tried to promote PEACE. I must be pretty terrible at being a "warlord".

Honestly, the sheer depth of vitriol and ravings from the minions of the tyrannies of New Eden is quite difficult to wade through with my responsibilities as an alliance Executor. I'll respond to constructive comments and feedback, and will read the rest as a source of endless amusement.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/

Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#24 - 2016-03-17 22:41:39 UTC
This matter seems very simple to me.

Akidagi is rightfully Caldari territory. The Gallente currently occupy it, but I doubt they do much on the side of law enforcement or protection of the local civilian population. The Caldari Navy made the correct and brave decision to intercept Gurista criminal elements in the system despite the risk of being attacked by the Gallente occupiers.

In short, this Caldari Navy task force is an example of heroism and resolve in the face of evil and overwhelming odds. They are to be commended, while the Federal Defense Union has done nothing but disrupt the order and peace in Caldari systems.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#25 - 2016-03-17 23:42:34 UTC
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
This matter seems very simple to me.

Akidagi is rightfully Caldari territory. The Gallente currently occupy it, but I doubt they do much on the side of law enforcement or protection of the local civilian population. The Caldari Navy made the correct and brave decision to intercept Gurista criminal elements in the system despite the risk of being attacked by the Gallente occupiers.

In short, this Caldari Navy task force is an example of heroism and resolve in the face of evil and overwhelming odds. They are to be commended, while the Federal Defense Union has done nothing but disrupt the order and peace in Caldari systems.


Are you reading the same media report I did? How is CalNav ganking Guiristas medical freighters on a stargate heroic? Hell, by all appearances they even left the heavy stuff to this "third party" to take care of. Still, at least CalNav undocked.

I love how the Caldari start the war, but somehow its the Federal Defense Union doing "nothing but disrupt the order and peace in Caldari systems."

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#26 - 2016-03-17 23:46:43 UTC
One of the bad guys died. Does it really matter who killed them? Both of you hate them right? Everybody quit making a big deal out of something that happens on a daily basis.....
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#27 - 2016-03-18 00:09:39 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
One of the bad guys died. Does it really matter who killed them? Both of you hate them right? Everybody quit making a big deal out of something that happens on a daily basis.....


I don't have a problem with the Caldari Navy killing pirates. My issue is the apparent level of disregard the FIO shows to events taking place in the CEWPA Warzone. If we're to be ignoring Caldari Navy incursions into FDU occupied territory, then the Federation needs to negotiate a peace treaty that disbands the Militia. That, or set us loose to roll up this conflict with the State Protectorate once and for all. Nobody has any illusion that GalMil isn't capable of doing it.
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#28 - 2016-03-18 00:11:46 UTC
The Guristas are a pirate faction, societal parasites that deserve nothing less than total war waged against them. The equipment being transported was clearly for cloning purposes, either for clone ground troops who slaughter indiscriminately in the name of profit, or capsuleer pilots destined to serve Gurista overlords. Clone tech is military tech. You attempting to defend this attack as somehow being unjustified is nothing but a betrayal of your bias. As the loyalist of a civilized nation you should fully support the destruction of any and all pirate assets, and either the unconditional surrender or destruction of their associates. You merely quack now because you don't like the people doing justice in this instance.

By the way, the Gallente started the first war when they bombarded Caldari Prime. The current war was started by the Minmatar with an illegal sneak attack that killed thousands of CONCORD personnel and enabled the Caldari to get the jump on the Federation. I would ask them about the current state of affairs.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#29 - 2016-03-18 00:44:57 UTC
Just like the blooders commit atrocities in the name of the Empress..... Bull ****. At the time were the Thukker tribe part of the republic? We're they REALLY part? No, they weren't.

Rinai, I understand what your saying and why your saying it but can't we just take some solice from the fact that an enemy is no more? In the end would the Amarr have any qualms with me taking a day trip to Devoid and killing blooders for some spare isk? I can understand the fact that they didn't either inform the Federation of their intents or simply tell them to deal with it, but Sotor and you should understand how quickly you have to act on info when it comes to such things.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#30 - 2016-03-18 00:46:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Rinai Vero
Forgive me, Aldrith, I wasn't aware that you were posting under the influence of hallucinogenic drugs this evening. That must be why you've so completely mischaracterized my comments, and so blatantly misrepresented the facts of history.

I didn't say the Caldari Navy was unjustified, I just disputed your grandiose praise of the "heroic" destruction of freighters on a stargate. Nothing wrong with gate camping. I happen to have done my fair share, and it makes for great drunken shenanigans... but heroic it isn't.

As for the First Gallente-Caldari War, however it started that war ended with the Treaty of Tierijev in YC12. That would be the treaty that Tibus Heth shredded with his invasion.

As I can't conceive that a man of your reputation would be so dishonorable as to lie in such a blatant fashion, I must admonish you to refrain from posting further while under the influence of intoxicants lest these mistakes persist.
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2016-03-18 01:05:25 UTC
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
This matter seems very simple to me.

Akidagi is rightfully Caldari territory. The Gallente currently occupy it, but I doubt they do much on the side of law enforcement or protection of the local civilian population. The Caldari Navy made the correct and brave decision to intercept Gurista criminal elements in the system despite the risk of being attacked by the Gallente occupiers.

In short, this Caldari Navy task force is an example of heroism and resolve in the face of evil and overwhelming odds. They are to be commended, while the Federal Defense Union has done nothing but disrupt the order and peace in Caldari systems.



"Overwhelming odds?"

I'm sorry Aldrith, but I've flown with the State before and I don't think a convoy of freighters constitutes "overwhelming odds," especially when they were backed by a third party.

Or are you saying a few freighters full of medical personnel is more than a match for the Caldari Navy?

Shooting civilians, by you is "honorable?"

Again and again, the Guristas are hardly a group of innocents, but generally, when we've engaged them, we've engaged warships, not civilian transports. Are you suggesting the mighty Caldari Navy couldn't afford a few web generators? Maybe a warp scrambler or two? If the Navy is in such a sorry state of disrepair that they can't figure out how to capture criminals instead of slaughtering them, I'll gladly donate a few items from own private stock until they learn how to fight with honor again.

You do remember what an honorable victory is, yes?

*sigh* So much has changed while I was away. I remember a time when people were brought to trial, not summarily executed for claiming allegiance to the wrong organization. I must have missed that memo.



"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2016-03-18 01:06:55 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
One of the bad guys died. Does it really matter who killed them? Both of you hate them right? Everybody quit making a big deal out of something that happens on a daily basis.....



So when Nauplius kills a few million of your people, that's business as usual as well?

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#33 - 2016-03-18 01:23:29 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
One of the bad guys died. Does it really matter who killed them? Both of you hate them right? Everybody quit making a big deal out of something that happens on a daily basis.....



So when Nauplius kills a few million of your people, that's business as usual as well?


For Amarr? I'm surprised and honestly amazed they care. Actually speaks volumes and no matter how I feel I can't deny my being thankful for it. Is it our problem? Of course it is, as it should be for everyone, though admittedly I'm biased on that. When it comes to people like yourself on this matter, you would probably be the only people who should really be arguing on this. I don't necessarially agree with it but I see why you would.
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2016-03-18 01:50:30 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
One of the bad guys died. Does it really matter who killed them? Both of you hate them right? Everybody quit making a big deal out of something that happens on a daily basis.....



So when Nauplius kills a few million of your people, that's business as usual as well?


For Amarr? I'm surprised and honestly amazed they care. Actually speaks volumes and no matter how I feel I can't deny my being thankful for it. Is it our problem? Of course it is, as it should be for everyone, though admittedly I'm biased on that. When it comes to people like yourself on this matter, you would probably be the only people who should really be arguing on this. I don't necessarially agree with it but I see why you would.



They don't care Ms. Vess. And that should be something for you to worry about.

To the Amarr, you are the enemy. Take a look at those Amarr who are condoning this attack and realize that they are the ones who will gladly attack your civilian transports with the same disregard.

I don't give a whit for the life of Guristas. Like Ms. Ruil stated, they were dumb enough to get caught. The danger here is not that some pirates got caught, but that the State went for a kill instead of a capture and that they were willing to attack a convoy with the same abandon as we attack warships. This is a subtle but significant change to the way the State deals with criminals and war-targets. Keep in mind, you're a criminal in their eyes too.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#35 - 2016-03-18 02:14:24 UTC
The report states the Caldari Navy ships were heavily damaged and some would very likely have been destroyed had the third party not stepped in. This convoy was hardly defenseless - it was a guarded military convoy transporting material to be used to harm others. There is no such thing as a pirate civilian, only one that might be arrested, or one that must be neutralized. The fact that you are attempting to construe this as something similar to a capsuleer gatecamp instead of a justified police action is rather telling.

And Rinai, just ask 'Are you high?' and be done with it. No need for the lengthy verbiage. Next time step away from the mirror, however. Talking to yourself might be seen as a sign of madness.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#36 - 2016-03-18 02:22:58 UTC
Oh, but I sooo enjoy the lengthy verbiage. I so rarely bother to appear on the IGS these days, so I'll take full advantage of the opportunity to gasbag along with the rest, thank you very much.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#37 - 2016-03-18 04:10:22 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:

Again and again, the Guristas are hardly a group of innocents, but generally, when we've engaged them, we've engaged warships, not civilian transports. Are you suggesting the mighty Caldari Navy couldn't afford a few web generators? Maybe a warp scrambler or two? If the Navy is in such a sorry state of disrepair that they can't figure out how to capture criminals instead of slaughtering them, I'll gladly donate a few items from own private stock until they learn how to fight with honor again.

You do remember what an honorable victory is, yes?

*sigh* So much has changed while I was away. I remember a time when people were brought to trial, not summarily executed for claiming allegiance to the wrong organization. I must have missed that memo.


es·cort
noun
noun: escort; plural noun: escorts
ˈesˌkôrt/

1.
a person, vehicle, ship, or aircraft, or a group of these, accompanying another for protection, security, or as a mark of rank.
"a police escort"
synonyms: guard, bodyguard, protector, minder, attendant, chaperone

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#38 - 2016-03-18 05:14:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Deitra Vess
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
One of the bad guys died. Does it really matter who killed them? Both of you hate them right? Everybody quit making a big deal out of something that happens on a daily basis.....



So when Nauplius kills a few million of your people, that's business as usual as well?


For Amarr? I'm surprised and honestly amazed they care. Actually speaks volumes and no matter how I feel I can't deny my being thankful for it. Is it our problem? Of course it is, as it should be for everyone, though admittedly I'm biased on that. When it comes to people like yourself on this matter, you would probably be the only people who should really be arguing on this. I don't necessarially agree with it but I see why you would.



They don't care Ms. Vess. And that should be something for you to worry about.

To the Amarr, you are the enemy. Take a look at those Amarr who are condoning this attack and realize that they are the ones who will gladly attack your civilian transports with the same disregard.

I don't give a whit for the life of Guristas. Like Ms. Ruil stated, they were dumb enough to get caught. The danger here is not that some pirates got caught, but that the State went for a kill instead of a capture and that they were willing to attack a convoy with the same abandon as we attack warships. This is a subtle but significant change to the way the State deals with criminals and war-targets. Keep in mind, you're a criminal in their eyes too.


I'm sure not Every Amarr follower don't care. Maybe I'm just fooling myself but I won't stoop to that level even if I'm wrong. The only Amarr capsuleers posting here are from PIE, a group who I would gladly kill in a heart beat, just as I expect from them. What else would you expect from religious fanatics? God's and spirits even if they would do such a thing as gun down our civilians, I wouldn't because I won't stoop to that level. I'm better than that. If they infact did that just shows what their horrible religion teaches and why those who can't act as rational humans must be eradicated from this cluster. For that I both pity and enjoy making their capsuleers send their condolences to their crews dearly departed, even if I die in the process.

As far as what Ms. Ruil said, I said the exact same thing and fully agree with her. They were horribly incompetent and had what happened coming to them. Though I will ask, I I were to fly a freighter into your AO and you had a fleet in waiting, would you capture or kill? I know I'm a criminal, that's why I don't even go to the planet I was born on anymore. I'm a criminal for killing those who truely deserved it without being in the militia. If Concord wants my head, good luck to them. I'm not stupid enough to serve it on a silver platter to them...
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#39 - 2016-03-18 06:15:47 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:


You do remember what an honorable victory is, yes?

*sigh* So much has changed while I was away. I remember a time when people were brought to trial, not summarily executed for claiming allegiance to the wrong organization. I must have missed that memo.


I'd say an honorable victory is one where your enemy is destroyed and you hold the field. Which is what appears to have occurred.

The threat and prosecution of summary execution is a justifiable method of enforcement in the State. Go try and cross the borders of a corporate enclave without proper authority. Alternatively look at what happened to the Brothers of Freedom or Tibus Heth in Piak.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#40 - 2016-03-18 06:24:12 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Alternatively look at what happened to the Brothers of Freedom or Tibus Heth in Piak.


What I would really, really like to know is what happened to the Executor in Hakonen. Hakonen? I believe that's right.