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Dev blog: Project Discovery needs You!

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Erebus 'TheChin' Sundance
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#141 - 2016-03-13 20:58:18 UTC
hey, enjoying this a lot, good thing to introduce.

A couple of issues however, the samples are frequently not loading or buffering indefinitely, and getting sample ****-up messages quite a bit aswell.

The SOE apparel can't be sold on the market? I'm not a fan of it myself, too much red and black, was hoping for white or sanctuary blue coat personally, but as you can only wear one outfit, whats the incentive to grind for another?


CCP RedDawn wrote:
Midori Tsu wrote:
What are the rewards going to be like? is it a baseline of say 500 lp that increases with the rating?


Currently, the amount of LP you gain is in direct correlation with your Accuracy Rating, with 500 SOE LP being the payout for a 100% score on a single sample.
So a 1% score will grant you 5 LP.

Please be aware however that these values and the overall rewards are not finalised and are subject to change before they appear on TQ. (Based on your feedback and our own observations during public testing of course)



I'm not getting any SOE LP?
Erebus 'TheChin' Sundance
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#142 - 2016-03-13 21:23:18 UTC
...forgot to add that often the answer I give for a particular sample is not the answer is shows once submited, It's the answer I gave for the previous sample, so It flags as incorrect and you get negative accuracy rating. I have double checked this a few times now and have taken pics with my phone as I thought I was going cuckoo... fortunately early dementia hasn't effected my brain and It's definitely giving me the answers from the previous sample.

cheers
HPA Darkfield Oramara
H P A
C C P Alliance
#143 - 2016-03-14 07:44:35 UTC
Erebus 'TheChin' Sundance wrote:
...forgot to add that often the answer I give for a particular sample is not the answer is shows once submited, It's the answer I gave for the previous sample, so It flags as incorrect and you get negative accuracy rating. I have double checked this a few times now and have taken pics with my phone as I thought I was going cuckoo... fortunately early dementia hasn't effected my brain and It's definitely giving me the answers from the previous sample.

cheers


Thanks for noticing! We are aware of the problem and we have notified CCP about it so hopefully it will be fixed soon.
Memphis Baas
#144 - 2016-03-14 18:01:55 UTC
Erebus 'TheChin' Sundance wrote:
...forgot to add that often the answer I give for a particular sample is not the answer is shows once submited, It's the answer I gave for the previous sample, so It flags as incorrect and you get negative accuracy rating.


Actually, I *think* this happens when the Discovery server is so busy that it doesn't have time to receive your submitted answers. So you go on to the next question and you submit that one too, and only then does it catch up with "hey these answers were wrong" and "now we'll reset your window."

I submitted a bug report.

CCP may have to implement a cache server, if they don't have one, for both downloading samples and for uploading answers. Because the TQ load is a bell with the peak at euro prime time, and I'm guessing it would be nice if they could flatten the load on the Discovery server by prefetching samples at night and uploading the excess answers also at night.
Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
#145 - 2016-03-16 00:00:45 UTC
Currently checking Zeitgeist penial gland and third-eye...

I tested the project (discovery) in some 4 or so of the first 10 tutorial tests and failed my first guess.

That of course dropped my accuracy ratio to a maximum of 50% maximum from start at test #2 (of the same tutorial test phase).

However, I am not sure if this means that I can still start at 100% accuracy at my first attempt, non-tutorial mode.

Also, it seems that I managed to close the client before completion of the first 10 tutorial tests.
I also don't know if I can or have to finish the tutorial before risking to lose more accuracy or any at all.
I know how to reduce the risk to zero and make it utterly worthless for a game, just how much is the risk worth.
Also, what is the reward? Just accurately?

Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#146 - 2016-03-16 00:13:42 UTC
It's not actually 'accuracy', but more like standing so it will build over time if you get things right.
The rewards are certain items available from the Sisters of EVE LP store for Isk and the Analysis Kredits you get.
Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
#147 - 2016-03-16 00:34:39 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
It's not actually 'accuracy', but more like standing so it will build over time if you get things right.
The rewards are certain items available from the Sisters of EVE LP store for Isk and the Analysis Kredits you get.

So, it's possible to gain valuable standing (which I do know the value of, since I do have a few SOE standing already) can be gained from 'accuracy'.

The accuracy I refered to was the accuracy level obtained from submitting accurate and exact , correct analysis as to compared to an analysis report which is an error, and , inacurate.

It is literally like an accuracy ratio while typing on a keyboard, where, if you type faster, you will have many errors of inacurracy to fix.
If you do type slower, your accuracy ratio may be higher, or 100%, but the end result may be slower than doing corrections.

This is not comparable with auto-correct which can fix errors at 90 words per minutes, or speech recognition, or voice recognition, which can interpret words at 60 words per minutes.

Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.

Jeven HouseBenyo
Vanity Thy Name Is
#148 - 2016-03-16 02:03:23 UTC
Running into several in a row where there is some issue with sending the sample. It was working just fine while I wait for a skill then... new sample retry, sorry about losing your last submission.

Is Project Discovery overloading something somewhere along the internet connections yet again?

>Jeven

Minny boat flyer, unofficial squeaky wheel.

'Game Ethics and Morality Monitor' I remember promises.

Snark at 11-24/7/365.25. Overshare? Yup.

Yes it's my fault. And if you don't staap it I'll do it again. ;-P

No you can't has my stuffs OR my SPs.

Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#149 - 2016-03-16 04:04:11 UTC

I'm just starting on this. I guess it could use a bit more of a tutorial, but I've been able to pick up on it quickly. I can see how folks could get turned away from participating, however.

But regardless of that, CCP, please don't shut down support for it too quickly. I like the purpose and I can see something like this needing more patience and tweaking than what one might be accustomed to giving a small part of the game.
Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
#150 - 2016-03-16 11:25:01 UTC
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Jeven HouseBenyo wrote:
Running into several in a row where there is some issue with sending the sample. It was working just fine while I wait for a skill then... new sample retry, sorry about losing your last submission.

Is Project Discovery overloading something somewhere along the internet connections yet again?

>Jeven

A professional tech company suggested me that EVE Online had too many windowed functions in it's interface.
For one thing, when they saw my shared screen, they could deduce how long it took me to close them one by one.
Of course , there was the option to close all opened function windows at once, but I didn't use that.
Using the [x] command was more simple.

Either way, yes, a simple interface is not only more appealing and more functional but it can also make or break a system.

Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.

Kitsune Fumimasa
Perkone
Caldari State
#151 - 2016-03-16 12:11:06 UTC
Project Discovery not work? Why? How long ?
ty.
Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#152 - 2016-03-16 21:50:16 UTC
Kitsune Fumimasa wrote:
Project Discovery not work? Why? How long ?
ty.



It works, but sometimes seems to take a long time to load samples.
Zepheros Naeonis
TinklePee
#153 - 2016-03-17 11:57:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Zepheros Naeonis
PD is definitely having issues right now. It took nearly 10 seconds for the GUI to load when I clicked on it. I've noticed these issues have been on going for 3+ days now. I have over 120 submissions that haven't been touched in over 24 hours. :\

HPA Darkfield Oramara wrote:
Thanks for noticing! We are aware of the problem and we have notified CCP about it so hopefully it will be fixed soon.

Any word on the current issues with PD? It has been extremely sluggish.
The Receptionist
Novartis Corporation.
#154 - 2016-03-17 21:30:50 UTC  |  Edited by: The Receptionist
At the moment for me this isn't worth doing. I got to rank 37 but after today's update, 2/3 of the samples freeze or don't load properly, and the ones that do often fail after I've identified the structures present and hit submit. Currently it's basically unplayable. Is there a support thread for project discovery somewhere?

@ISD I have also been experiencing the issue that other guy noted that you notified CCP about. Probably not related but worth mentioning.
Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#155 - 2016-03-18 00:32:56 UTC
I notice that some of the samples have a 'consensus' that is pretty clearly wrong. Basically, once in a long while I'll bring up a sample and see by the examples that this is a clear example of 'Bob'. But when I select 'Bob' and submit it, I get a 'Community Consensus' of 90% - 100% that this sample is 'Fred'. But the sample 'Bob' doesn't have anything in common with example 'Fred'. Is the system in need of repair, or is someone gaming things?
Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#156 - 2016-03-18 00:36:06 UTC
Also, CCP decision-makers, please allow the resources necessary to support Project Discovery to be available. You've got something that your players like and use, and you've talked them into making it part of their EVE experience.

Murkar Omaristos
The Alabaster Albatross
Unreasonable Bastards
#157 - 2016-03-18 03:29:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Murkar Omaristos
Joia Crenca wrote:
Also, CCP decision-makers, please allow the resources necessary to support Project Discovery to be available. You've got something that your players like and use, and you've talked them into making it part of their EVE experience.



^^ This. I've been playing it all the time. However I've now come to a standstill because as of the last surprise mid-day patch to it, project Discovery is basically unusable. I can get through at most 2-3 samples before it starts freezing, doing weird glitchy ****, etc. and I have to close + reopen the window several times to get it working.

It takes about four times as long as it should to go through samples when the interface does not work properly. Evil
Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#158 - 2016-03-18 17:57:42 UTC
I think we are seeing a minor step in the right direction of player-interface. Now when something can't be retrieved from the database, Professor Lundberg times the process out with a 'Task retrieval failed', instead of the interface staying blank forever.
Rocket Hart
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#159 - 2016-03-19 08:26:46 UTC
Project Discovery = Boring, and poorly designed. Not worth the development time and I suspect it's only in Eve because CCP is getting paid by an outside source. Quit giving us NON space ship stuff to try and keep subscriptions up.
Aelavaine
Aelavaine's Corporation
#160 - 2016-03-20 17:04:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Aelavaine
Despite the technical flaws of Project Discovery, are there any plans for future rewards?

At first it was like I'll never get the 75.000 AKs for a suit together, but now with a 99% recognition rate and about 20.000 AKs per hour (at 5:00 EVE) there isn't a goal to reach anymore.

Despite the soon incoming protests of some bittervets, I'd like to suggest a second pair of SoE Combat Suits.
With 5 different textures for each fraction (A, C, G, M and SoE as fifth) for a million AKs each maybe.
The designs don't have to differ much from the current ones, but I'd like to have a little redesign of the female chestplate. I don't have one single large breast in the middle of my chest.

Beside the point that it keeps a level of motivation for some of us to continue with Project Discovery, I'd like to have a really rare combat suit as reward.

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