EVE General Discussion

If there is no killboard, Eve players will still be killing one another for one reason or another and some enterprising individual out there will be creating a killboard.

It will be just like Eve Online year one!

Killboards are very useful. They can be used to examine potential corp recruits, and threats. They can be used to find the common ships/fits of people you are trying to kill. They can also be used to find hilarious killmails with terrible fits and huge amounts of ISK lost.

However, with the recent changes to the watchlist, which were made under the excuse of "it was too powerful a tool to gain intel, with no drawbacks", you could argue that killboards should face the same fate. After all, they are just as powerful as the watchlist was for intel gathering, and also has zero drawbacks. We all know that will never happen though.

An idea often proposed by people with red killboards.

Seriously, this is the equivalent of asking Nintendo to remove the points counter in Mario because you feel uncomfortable that your friends may recognize how bad you are at the game when they compare your stats to their own. In EVE like in Mario this is more a personal problem of the player and not of the game.

I know you say that you don't care at all and just ignore the killboard, and you probably even believe that yourself. But if you even toy with the idea that the whole score board should get burned down it really shows how much it actually bothers you deep down.

Maybe just get better at the game if you care that much what other players think of your performance or maybe this is just not the right game for you then.

Killboards are an essential part of the game. It's like "racing for pinks" - street racing where you don't know what's under the car's hood until you beat it in a race - or lose your own car trying. "pinks" means "Pink slip" going back to the days when cars in the USA had registrations cards that were pink. Racing for pinks meant you raced other drivers and lost your car to them or won their car.

(And thankfully I never lost my '72 Dodge Challenger and still have a Mercury Cyclone I once raced against, but I didn't have the beat the owner: he gave it up when he decided to become a family man)


What always bugged me about killboards are that they are limited to kills. While a report of a kill or loss should never go away, if it were up to me I would make them into "incident reports" and not have to go as far as a kill. In cases where there is no ship destruction there is no loadout displayed. On an incident report, the encounter itself is on record such that any aggression is included.

The idea is to give a little something to non-combatant pilots who still have encounters, such as logi, haulers who "got away", even a bubble encounter is in the report. It would help players have more to show for their "role" and involvement in the game.

Whether it's even possible who knows - that's a lot of information to push around. A task I would not want.

So after I've noticed your corp and as I look at your post... I'm not sure if I've had a glimpse of one of the most intriguing mysteries in the history of New Eden capsuleer conflicts or if it's just a Red herring.

Actually that was not from the killboard but from deinflated killboard data which accounts for killmail whoring.

I don't say that the current killboards are perfect. There are certainly different opinions about how you should value kills in EVE. For example if you value the ship loss ratio you may consider me really bad, since I usually burn a Catalyst and a noob ship per kill and sometimes I fail a gank which just adds to the losses. So my kill/death ratio is 1/2 at best.

Now do I care because you may judge me on that stat and cry for the removal of it? Probably not, the stats I am interested in is the amount of ISK damage I did, I don't really care about the rest.

So if the stat you are interested is not on the killboard that is too bad for you. But instead of crying and propose the removal of killboards why not rather ask for more data from CCP to build the score board you are actually interested in? If it isn't kills/death or economic damage, how about amount of ore mined, npc's killed, stuff produced or stuff sold on the market?

I think it would be awesome to have more data to build different score boards which don't only focus on ship combat.

Nah, that was not pointed at you but at all the people who create threads and cry about killboards ruining the game for them or something.

That is alot of value though....

plus you can also get info if someone are more or less likely to be baiting you. Is the person more or less prone to be fiting blaster or rail? mwd or AB? You can ofc. not be 100% sure but I have in multiple cases been able to estimate the fit, based on zkillboard. I think that is of high value. But that is ofc. just my opinion.

The only reason I brought it up was because the devs did admit it.

Regardless, I love killboards and I think they are far too useful, and fun, to remove. I just don't like the reasoning behind the watchlist changes.