Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There is a lot of mad and dumb in this thread. It's like a bunch of hisec people are arguing about war or something and losing their tempers.

Oh wait...

I've never lost a war. I've never declared a war either. But I also know when wars are not fun and when they are. The run of the mill griefer/"merc corp" is typically too incompetent to handle real fights, which makes the whole wardec thing mostly a hassle more often than it is actually fun. What gets me, what I find really ironic, is that these so-called self proclaimed "elite PVPers" rag on industrialists and anyone with an attention span of more than 3 seconds for "sucking at PVP" when they themselves don't have the chops to do real PVP. They say "oh but we're outnumbered 5 to 1!" Well, I'm pretty sure in a fight, 1 adult would be able to handle 5 kindergarteners, which is basically what they are bragging about (and want to make even easier.) There is no logical reason to expect an industrialist to be good at PVP. I mean, you wouldn't expect a ballet dancer to be good at welding. I don't consider myself an expert PVPer. I consider myself pretty mediocre in fact. And with that in mind, most of these "elite merc corps" really ought to be embarrassed.

So again, to the fail-mercs, I have to say "HTFU" and stop sucking.

apparently you suck at forum pvp too

now if only CCP gave us forum KMs.....

the truth hurts don't it

I guess being a null-sec meatshield who presses F1-F8 on command and never has seen/never will see so much as a penny of all that moon-poo profit--Glorious Leader has to keep cashing in on those great RMT opportunities, dont'cha know!--is the only "real" way to fight, and the only "real PvP" in EVE.

Just ask mkint, or any of umpty-thousand other cartoon-characters in the EVE-community, she/they'll be glad to corroborate, I'm sure.

Moved from General Discussion.

You don't have to explicitly say you hate them. The way you speak of them alone speaks volumes. You come in here requesting mechanics that would make the killing of carebears even more "lol-worthy" for you but hide under the pretense that you'd like to keep the thread troll-free.

The trolling started the minute you posted this thread... with you.

By the way, the "core concept of Eve" has always included hi sec and has always operated under the assumption that it is supposed to be safer than lo/null sec. That you have a problem with the safety of carebears in hi sec does not mean that the "core concept of Eve" is in peril. That you're using it as an excuse to build up your biased claim is just ridiculous.

If you truly believe hi sec is safe I suggest you go mine in hi sec with a hulk for a few weeks. And then come back and tell us how safe it is.

Regarding the bounty system:

While eve is perfect in allowing any kind of scams and griefing (wich is good in a way), it fails miserably to give the victims any means for revenge.
Stupid as they are, Concord cannot really be considered a form of protection, more a force of nature that can be heavily exploited.
So eve is more like a kind of anarchy, well ok, but even here we have a problem: in an anarchy, people would gang together to kill somone who is terrorizing them- not really an option in a world where all characters are immortal and death is merely a little annoyance.
That's why bounties are pointless. And that's why in eve the path of the righteous is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

Possible solution:
Bounties should hurt- in fact they should hurt so much, that people should fear them instead of being proud of them. Money doesn't hurt. Skillpoints do.
So, the bounties would be used as bribes to the cloning facilities- who will downgrade the clone of the wrongdoer. The price should be really hefty, in fact too much for a single player to pay. But if enough players join in, it will gradually downgrade the clone up to clone grade alpha. Should the character be killed, all surplus skillpoints will be lost.
It should be possible for the criminal to get the bounty removed, but it should be made extremely hard- it would be much easier to contact those who put upt the bounty and negotiate with them to draw it back.

Oh, FFS...

Check my kill/loss ratio on Battleclinic, or any public killboard, and you'll find that,

A) Yes, I've lost numerous ships to PvP, and, being hardly the best PvP'er in the world--I leave that to the 1337-Gods/Goddesses like mkint--I expect to do so again. That's why I usually fly relatively cheap, insurable, and versatile.

B) I've done a few suicide-ganks, and guaranteed, I lost my ships there, too.

But this thread is primarily about hisec war-decs, and has evolved the inclusion of the bounty system, not sui-ganks. There will always be sui-gankers, as long as there is potential profits to be made off of the inattentive.

HiSec is supposed to be "safer," than known-space low/zerosec or wormholes. CONCORD retribution helps ensure this, as most people really don't want to lose their ships at any given moment. No-where in EVE is supposed to be 100% "safe." (No, not even stations. It is perfectly possible to get scammed out of everything you own whilst docked.)

Space is a dangerous place, we all have to deal with it, so what makes this newer breed of entitled crybear think they deserve a free pass? None of us ever did/do, and trust me, it's made us better players, and in my case, one of the reasons I will forever love EVE, warts and all.

The dedicated miners/industrialists/NPC'ers I "grew up" with from the end of Empyrean Age were a much harder, smarter, more situationally-aware breed, ones I was honoured to fly with and learn from...Where did they all go?

This is the biggie, and what inspired me to start this thread. Why are former explicitly-declared exploits all of a sudden allowed?




If they're going to do that as a deterrent to war-deccing, then they'd have to go up by a few powers of 10--ISK 5mn is peanuts, nowadays. Doing all 5 of the new-player tutorial arcs gets you around twice that, plus whatever you get from selling things you don't need and the mission-loots...