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Another Wing Commander Dead due to 1 month bug
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ZABXWTRUSTYJOKE
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-01-10 16:42:27 UTC
Ever since crucible wing commanders have not been receiving bonuses from fleet commanders. The only reason people aren't mass complaining about this is that they don't know about it but CCP does and it has not been fixed despite being over a month in effect as is my bug report.

FIX

FLEET

BONUSES

PLEASE
Mr Bigwinky
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-01-10 17:27:38 UTC
At first I was like OMG and was putting on my whitest knight armor, ready to come to the aid of OP!

Then I looked at your face and now...

not so much.
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ZABXWTRUSTYJOKE
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-01-10 18:13:39 UTC
this is not really an issue of a lost wing commander here and there. loss of a gang bonusing wing commander has implications for the entire wing of up to 50 other ships. if there was a bug in wow where certain raid members were not getting group bonuses and dying prematurely there would be an uproar - and don't pretend that it is somehow to the eve community's credit that they are not complaining. It is just that not enough people have noticed it yet and CCP is pushing it to the bottom of the stack.
Freyya
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-01-10 19:28:26 UTC
People haven been dying due to booster side effects not showing up in char sheet too. Not paying attention to ship and gun stats etc and its easy to miss. In since crucible aswell i believe. CCP is aware according to my petition. Both gross oversights which should be fixed asap and reimbursed too. Havent tried any further bit it also seemed penalties where more prone to happen aswell.
ZABXWTRUSTYJOKE
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-01-10 23:29:31 UTC
I agree, I would love if the fleet bonus indicators worked as well but I'm going for baby steps and asking that the bonuses themselves actually work. Here's to hoping.
Mumtaz Khan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-01-11 07:09:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Mumtaz Khan
Quoted from the Tactical Commander - Improved certificate:

"Fleet and Wing Commanders only ever receive their own bonuses."

This has always been the case. Wing Commanders in a fleet do not receive bonuses other than their own. The only time a wing commander will not receive any bonuses is if they do not have sufficient skills to control the amount of squads in that wing. Squads and squad commanders will continue to receive bonuses from the fleet commander or squad commander (whoever's skills are highest), but since the wing commander does not receive bonuses other than his own, he will receive none.

However, I agree that a more concise fleet bonus system is needed.
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#7 - 2012-01-11 20:23:47 UTC
Mumtaz Khan wrote:
Squads and squad commanders will continue to receive bonuses from the fleet commander or squad commander (whoever's skills are highest), but since the wing commander does not receive bonuses other than his own, he will receive none.

However, I agree that a more concise fleet bonus system is needed.


Does the squad and its squad commander receive bonuses from the wing commander? Sorry if this sounds like a stupid question.

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ZABXWTRUSTYJOKE
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-01-11 22:43:23 UTC
Mumtaz Khan wrote:
Quoted from the Tactical Commander - Improved certificate:

"Fleet and Wing Commanders only ever receive their own bonuses."

This has always been the case. Wing Commanders in a fleet do not receive bonuses other than their own. The only time a wing commander will not receive any bonuses is if they do not have sufficient skills to control the amount of squads in that wing. Squads and squad commanders will continue to receive bonuses from the fleet commander or squad commander (whoever's skills are highest), but since the wing commander does not receive bonuses other than his own, he will receive none.

However, I agree that a more concise fleet bonus system is needed.


that's not very intuitive, especially considering the wing commander is clearly in the fleet commanders fleet but that's certainly interesting to know. CCP seems to think it's a bug though given their response to my report, maybe it only ever existed due to lazy coding and they'll change it.
Outz Xacto
Echelon Munitions
#9 - 2012-01-11 23:45:42 UTC
I'm not sure I understand this correctly and I apologize...

In the case of a player with at minimum 1 point in Wing Command, who is designated as the wing booster would recieve their own boosts and subsequently all squadron commanders and squadron members would as well who are under that wing commander?

If you took that same situation and introduced a fleet commander to the mix who is now designated as the fleet booster would their's override all other boosters or would those boosts only apply to the wings -> squadrons that did not have a designated booster set.

I'm at work atm so I can't look at eve :P

I thought there was 3 tiers of boosters, fleet, wing and squadron that could be assigned, I assume in the case that maybe the FC boosting ability and ship dont boost the specific needs of certain wings/squadrons.
ZABXWTRUSTYJOKE
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-01-12 04:34:12 UTC  |  Edited by: ZABXWTRUSTYJOKE
According to the eveonline wiki: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Fleet_options
"A Wing Commander only receives leadership bonuses from himself and the Fleet Commander."
"A Fleet Commander will grant his leadership bonuses to all members in the fleet, including himself. "

This contradicts what is written in that tactical certificate. Clearly we have some confusion among CCP about how fleet bonuses are supposed to work. Honestly I can't understand why the wing commander wouldnt get bonuses from the fleet commander.
Mumtaz Khan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-01-12 06:11:50 UTC
I had a fantastic reply written up, but alas, the forums hate well thought-out posts.

Quote:

In the case of a player with at minimum 1 point in Wing Command, who is designated as the wing booster would recieve their own boosts and subsequently all squadron commanders and squadron members would as well who are under that wing commander?

If you took that same situation and introduced a fleet commander to the mix who is now designated as the fleet booster would their's override all other boosters or would those boosts only apply to the wings -> squadrons that did not have a designated booster set.

I thought there was 3 tiers of boosters, fleet, wing and squadron that could be assigned, I assume in the case that maybe the FC boosting ability and ship dont boost the specific needs of certain wings/squadrons.


Generally when you have a fleet commander, he will have the highest skills, and be the booster. Training the Fleet Command skill requires a certain degree of dedication to leadership skills. But yes, the fleet boss has the ability to assign anyone as the fleet booster, and assuming that person has better skills than everyone else, will override all other commanders. In the command hierarchy, the squad members will receive whoever's bonuses are highest.

I think your problem is that either the wing or fleet commander don't have the correct skills. The best way to troubleshoot the cause of someone not receiving bonuses is just to form the fleet from the bottom-up, starting with filling each squad and assigning commanders as needed. This way, if someone is not getting bonuses, the problem is easy to fix. It's been a while since I've been in a fleet large enough to need a fleet commander, since we usually keep them as compressed as possible. It's a hard thing to find someone who has the patience to have trained Fleet Commander, but if you have someone who has the skills, then he should be able to hand the best bonuses down to everyone.
Tess La'Coil
Messerschmitt Vertrieb und Logistik
#12 - 2012-01-12 11:45:28 UTC
I saw this:
"UPDATE 1.1 COMING JANUARY 24TH" wrote:
  • Enhanced chat and fleet features

    • But then I saw this..

    "Features
    Crucible 1.1 January 24th, 2012" wrote:

  • Drag and Drop Members to Fleet Watchlists
    • Drag and drop pilots names to rearrange and manage the members in your Fleet Watchlist in realtime.

  • Fleet Watchlist Member Increase
    • Players can now monitor and manage up to 15 members in their fleet watchlist.


    And now it feels a bit underwhelming, yet awesome very nice for Logi's.

    It seems a bit lame that a Wing Commander doesn't get the boosts of a Fleet Commander only due to not being able to command as many squads.. while his squadmembers simply get the bonus of the FC. Then again.. They have the skills for a reason.. and maybe everyone that WC's should just make sure they at least have the WC skill trained up high enough. Its not like the other stuff is required. But then that would also have to go for Squadcommanders that don't have the skill to command their squadsize.
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