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Being hunted, dscan, probes etc
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Xavier Quo
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-01-09 13:21:17 UTC
Was just wondering, after running a few radar sites in low sec I have been warped to by pirates trying to get me twice in a row now without seeing any probes on dscan, only the fact I was watching overview like an eagle and had a cheap cruiser with two nano's saved me - aside from the possiblity that the pirate had scanned and bookmarked the sites before, is it possible that an experienced pilot can actually find me or the site by warping around the system & using dscan only? does dscan give 100% warpable results at the very fine 'scan cone' sizes?

as an aside lowsec at the weekend is a completely different place Pirate
Velicitia
XS Tech
#2 - 2012-01-09 14:05:24 UTC
no, you won't get "warp to" results with d-scan, though you can narrow down where someone is using it (e.g. this or that belt/moon/planet).

with no probes on your D-scan, it sounds like either
1. you don't have the overview configured to show probes
2. they probed all the sites out earlier, and are just checking through their list til they find you.

IIRC there are some sites (combat ones?) that you don't need to use probes for either.

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Xavier Quo
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-01-09 14:12:38 UTC
Ok thanks for the info, good to know. Bad overview was my first thought but on the same session I saw my own core and someones combats in another system. It wasn't one of the complexes that are at 100% on the first probe, all radar sites need probing down I think.

There were two guys in the systems just hanging there for ages, even in a dead system when I came back from being somewhere else or afk cloaked they were still waiting for whatever, slightly unusual I guess so they must have bookmarked them, normally see gangs just in transit around the quiet areas.

only in eve could the act of making a bookmark have griefing applications Lol
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-01-09 14:15:49 UTC
Most likely explanation; local scum, pre-scanned sites in preparation for catching people doing lowsec sites. So they were just warping from previously probed BM to BM to look for "prey".

Perhaps shift your activities to a new area? Plenty of lowsec to go around...
Xavier Quo
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-01-09 14:23:27 UTC
Yeah, I had only just found a good entry point that isn't just an isolated single jump across the border, go in one direction & seems quiet, go in the other and you get these guys and 20 blinky red ruskies flying around. this is still just 2-5j into losec so I guess I need to do some more exploring. Losec is definitely a lot smaller (thinner?) than I initially thought it would be though.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-01-09 16:05:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
With good scanning skills (no not the ones you can find under Science) it is possible to scan down a ship using a combination of the d-scan and only one scan with probes. With whatever-the-skill-name 5 the probe scan takes 5 seconds. So if you don't click your d-scan every 5 seconds or less, there's a chance you can be found without knowing about it.
My Neutral Toon
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-01-09 18:49:46 UTC  |  Edited by: My Neutral Toon
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My Neutral Toon
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-01-09 18:50:27 UTC  |  Edited by: My Neutral Toon
Xavier Quo wrote:


as an aside lowsec at the weekend is a completely different place Pirate



all of eve is different on the weekends. you should try nullsec on the weekends :/

To your OP question...

IN THE D-SCAN WINDOW>>
>>>top left, check or un-check the box that says "Use Overview Settings"


You probably have that checked and don't have probes added to your overview.

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Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-01-09 19:12:43 UTC
Also, add probes to your overview. Make sure that the D-Scan range is set to max. Adjust range to see how close the probes are to you. There's a nifty conversion tool wormnav.com that changes Km to AU. If more than 1 probe is less than 5 AU from you, then you should go elsewhere. If all 5-8 probes are near you then you should already be in warp.

I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#10 - 2012-01-09 19:56:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Baneken
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
With good scanning skills (no not the ones you can find under Science) it is possible to scan down a ship using a combination of the d-scan and only one scan with probes. With whatever-the-skill-name 5 the probe scan takes 5 seconds. So if you don't click your d-scan every 5 seconds or less, there's a chance you can be found without knowing about it.


That's possible but you have to be very close to your target or you have to re-align your probes in space which usually takes time.
However on grid or very close it's indeed 5-10s to find a target for 100% hit, also the site is a hec easier to spot then your ship inside with a harder site (DED 8-10/10 usually) it's easier to scan a hit on your drones then the site itself and sometimes even gravi sites are harder to find then hulks mining inside it ...

Also it's good to occasionally check not just for probes but ship types in system.
Other intel is checking for corps and associates from the BIO's of the locals but that's information a rookie can't do much with.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-01-12 11:41:42 UTC
You are likely jumped by people who can probe very quick, you didn't have probes on overview and such D-scan didn't pick them up or they have premade bookmarks.

With the D-Scan they can narrow down really precise where you are located (going from broad 360 degree long range all the way to close range 5 degree scan). When they are almost certain where you are located they will drop combat probes as probing ships (as you are running the site, you are uncloaked and they will know your shiptype) is much easier then the actual site and it will let them warp in on you instead of the entry point of the site.

A decent skilled prober (both in-game skillpoints AND actual skills to use probes) can probe down ships in just couple of seconds, specially if they already know what ship to look for and also around which celestial you are located (keep in mind all probeable sites spawn withing 4 AU from any celestial IIRC).

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