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Can I ask why this bothers you?

It'd be a different story if skills would go above level V, but I fail to grasp what useful information you extract from character age given the fact you can be adept in ONE ship in a few short months. More training merely opens up more options, does it not?

And don't PvPers usually argue that it's PLAYER skill, not CHARACTER skill that counts?

....well then?

.......but this is nothing new, is it? Before Februari, people bought characters with - you guessed it: ISK. Now they don't buy the character, they buy the injectors. It's arguably cleaner this way.

Even without skillpoints in the picture, Real-Life rich folks can buy all the deadspace mods / researched BPOs / ... they want. So, what of it?

Honestly I'd like to see things go a step further and separate skill training from the ability to log in entirely. Quite a few of my accounts solely exist for the purpose of specialized alts (supercaps, boosters, cynos, scouts, etc). Once these specialized chars are fully skilled to where I need them to be, further training is essentially useless. There's a certain hard limit to how much SP a specialized character can actually use; a titan character certainly doesnt need any SP in subcaps for example.

It would be awesome if instead of simply paying 1 plex to log in AND train for a month, you could choose whether you had the ability to log in without activating a skillqueue for two months. I do realize that you can already extract enough SP per month through normal training to pay for a decent portion of a plex but it's irritating to go to Jita/etc to actually sell the injectors, especially if you need to find a holding alt for supercapitals.

Going even further down that path, my dream scenario would be where the 3 character per account limit was eliminated entirely and you instead paid for the desired amount of characters that you wished to login and/or train concurrently. Would probably pressure the financials too much to ever happen since a lot of players would significantly downsize their subscription numbers but to me that sort of system makes much more sense.

So your saying that the individual that took the time to build those skills, who sells the character and get something back for him/her self; Is now over shaded by an injector that CCP can take advantage of more so than the player who took the time, money, and effort to train?

Two use cases - It had more than two use cases. It had a third huge use case of tracking status of people who are neither mutual friends nor enemies. It could be a newbie you’re helping, a diplo, a prospect you want to talk to in person to find out more etc. It had a 4th use case of dealing with the realities of this being a game and disconnects/logon/logoff being a thing. This seems so elementary I can’t even comprehend having to explain this. If you’re going to ban the watchlist you should make disconnecting, logging in and logging off to engage or avoid combat illegal.

Design concerns… where do you come up with these specifically? Is there an overarching design of what EVE should be like because it seems every dev team has their own. All you’re doing is pulling EVE in a hundred different directions and frustrating the players in the process. Let’s break it down.

100% accurate information - yes it’s a basic status that tell you whether someone is online or not, kinda important in a game which is about interacting with other people. There are a million use cases of 100% accurate information at no risk to the pilot receiving it. Local, dscan, market, alts, cloaking, cargo scanners, spies, killboards, etc. There’s nothing wrong with certain information being 100% accurate at no risk or cost including knowing whether or not someone “exists” in the universe or is offline.

Non choice - I agree with this concept but it doesn’t apply here. It is certainly a choice. It is a choice you could ignore because it takes effort. It takes effort to track down and find all of your “enemies.” It takes effort to add them to watchlist and having to manage that information. It still doesn’t tell you where they are or what they’re doing or what they’re flying so it gives you the opportunity to make choices of what to do when your enemies are online. Without that information, you’re always operating in the same mode regardless if a single one of your enemies is logged in, I call that a non choice.

Countering this overpowered source of information - Really? Knowing whether or not someone is online in a video game is an overpower source of information? Knowinig whether or not someone exists in a universe as an entity or is in some parallel universe with his accounts unsubbed for months is an overpower source of information? Isn’t doing the research, finding out who your enemies are and watchlisting them too a counter in itself? What is the counter to getting hot dropped? You don’t think that the ability for every frigate or cruiser to spawn a hellmob on top of your solo ship at any time with no warning or counter other than hot dropping yourself is overpowered?

Log in or not play - So here we are. This entire change that nerfed our ability to interact with and contact each other, to rediscover old friends, to make new ones, to open doors of opportunity, to manage time in finding targets and gameplay, it was all done because of people who don’t even log in because others might know that they’re online. I usually try to consider everyone's playstyle but in this case, **** them. This is an MMO about working with and against other people. If their only gameplay choice is either not being seen by others or not playing, **** them, they don’t belong here. I can’t think of a single use case where this would apply. And before you say super/titan alts, these are huge strategic assets that require alliance level support. This is why they can't dock in stations. Get a defence fleet up, have them setup a POS, set up the cyno chains, get everyone ready, log in and move your Super/Titan to where it needs to be.

Suggestions coming in the next post.

But the injectors are made from other players' skill points. You can't buy the injectors from CCP, you can only get them from other players. Every single skillpoint you see on the market was already trained up by somone. So the only difference between this and buying a character is that the character's name is different.

Check this thread too
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=472298

Ummm not true! My 9 year old son asked me to turn off the gong sound. He said it was annoying!

Not a bad idea really, have often thought that the Station environment facility is something that players really needed to have basic options on, The minimalist ideal would be for a simple screen shot indicating that the player was actually in a station and not in Space as a background render overlaid by the station hangar tree, Which when you break it down is all you really need to have on the screen alongside the chat windows and station services.

This has been a creeping problem in Eve for years now were Dev's scribble out ideas based on Console type graphics believing in their very soul that the player base, really, really, REALLY!, needs this for game satisfaction, Loading up the game with fancy graphics simply because they can and never stopping to think for one moment on what is actually required to play Eve or even offer that option.

That is the true nature of the problem here ' Spud' mode being forced on many players who cannot afford to build maxi spec computers and find even the most basic settings still out strip there machines graphics capabilities reducing there game satisfaction with each new update feature designed by people to whom graphics capabilities are not a consideration on any level.

Not saying CCP are wrong in there attempts to improve graphics overall, Just pointing out that this myopic view is one they need to reconsider rather than by default introduce a real credit card barrier.

As far as the watchlist I will just say I used to use it in order to see if someone in local used ogb. If they did I would add them so I didn't fight them anymore.

Now I don't really need to know when they log off or log on. I would just use it so the extra symbol allowed me to easilly tell something about them. Perhaps allow players to add certain symbols to other players beyond the standings settings.

As for the other changes I feel this is good for the game and I generally like the changes as whole. However eve is becoming very high maintenance to keep up with. I would ask that ccp not keep making small adjustments every few months unless something really needs it. Some stability in the game is good for players who may be returning to the game.