EVE General Discussion

Literally do please. Also don't be logged off in Airmia, which I believe was in hisec the last time I looked. I hope you're quicker on the uptake than your colleagues?

Toodles.

Update: Still logged off in Airmia.

Get spy alts in a corp before you dec them. It's effective. Limits your pool of targets, though.

In surprising news, Mortlake today found out that WHs spawn in HS. You learn something new every day.

Given you know where I hang out and I play every day, this is simply embarrassing for you at this point. I thought you were a l33t PvPer. Go back to killing miners and industrial ships to pad your KB please.

boooo cara, don't spoil the fun, let him keep going thinking he's the ****.

So I flew over to Airmia earlier, not much going on. Pretty bleak.

Apparently you're still logged off there.

Question for you, how many of you have killed me yet?

I'll give a bil to the first person who actually kills me. or you could keep talking **** and claiming HS mercs aren't bears.

hmm....



TIL you think I am still in that system. cute. As I said before, I'm in WHs. you seem too risk averse to follow. cool man, cool. Keep that KB ratio going with mining ships and industrial.

My thoughts on how to bring some reasonable watchlisting functions back:

Watchlist/Buddlylist works when at least 1 of the following conditions is met:

1: Player is mutually watchlisted (buddy or not).

2: Player is a valid wartarget *and* is in highsec. FW enemies can be watchlisted in lowsec (even if supercap?).

3: Player has a killright against him/her and *you* have access to it (either by being the one who was awarded the killright, or by the killright being transfered/made public). This would be irrelevant of location, so yes super pilots could be watchlisted if they had killrights against them.

4: Player has a security status low enough to be attacked by the local police (dependant on individual system sec rating, and obviously only works in highsec like #2)

5: Player has a security status of -5 or lower (outlaw) - works in high/low sec, but not null/WH.


While I do think that the loss of watchlisting for W-space residents hurts the game... I can't think of any non-arbitrary suggestions to fix that. I do think that the above 5 suggestions are non-arbirtrary, which I hope others will agree with.

Well... ok here's a convoluted suggestion for W-space residents, tie it to POS/Citadels, have a POS structure/Citadel module that can only be anchored/installed in w-space that allows the members of the owning corp/alliance to see who is in that system... though this is dangerously close to adding local to w-space, which would really take away from the w-space atmosphere. It's the only thing I can think of that isn't purely arbitrary. And requires some level of commitment to the system (give it a long startup time to prevent day-trippers from setting it up on a small tower temporarily). Possibly have it be vulnerable outside the POS shield / external to the Citadel? There could also be a timer involving cloaking - it sees you and lists you to the owner as soon as you decloak (including the gate cloak) but if you disappear from the list if you cloak for at least... 10 minutes? And likewise it doesn't remove you from the list til 10 minutes after you leave the system (so it doesn't differentiate between cloaked and gone). This is probably not my best idea.

Imo there are two types of mercs.

1. They are hired to do a specific job - remove a corp from a system, destroy structures or stop someone from doing mining and/or trading and/or hauling from/to/inside Highsec. Maybe a combination of all three or something else. They know what to do and know how and where to find their targets, ie. professionals.

2. Looking for easy kills by camping hubs or pipes, most of the time in overtanked T3’s or CS’s with neutral logi and links who will wait out the timer and dock at the first sign of risk losing a ship.

Group 1 are the real mercs, they are doing what they should do and that requires some work. I was a miner the first few months in my career and we were forced out by a merc group because another corp paid them to do so. It worked, we moved out - gf and no hard feelings.

Group 2 are just cowards who really think of themselves as PvPers.

See the difference? If CCP removes all that „neutral“ **** then I will support the return of the watchlist as it was. But I’m thinking the new one will provide nullsec with very interesting and unpredictable fights because there is no warning now like „OMG dock/run/disengage - PL/CFC just logged 20 Titans in.“ Btw, you can always send a mail to someone saying „mail me if you are back in game, the watchlist has been changed.“, for example.

stupid unwanted change Nr 73...

I posted a proposal before this change came out suggesting most of this. It was completely ignored. To be specific, I proposed two ideas:

1) Determining that someone is a "valid target", such as via war or killrights. Your addtion of criminal sec status is interesting, though I don't know that it would be particularly useful.

2) Disabling online status updates for non-buddies if you are in null/w-space. This would probably require more significant coding changes. The lore would indicate that the watch list only worked in Empire-controlled areas, and outside that the character was "off grid".




W-space residents are probably the most inconvenienced by this, except maybe for wardeccers for whom it was a way of life. I'm with you, t hough....I can't think of a way to make it work that makes sense.



Yeah, I'm gonna go with a big NO on that idea. That would completely remove the need for all current security practices in w-space and make it Null 2.0.