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Tora Bushido for CSM 11

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Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#101 - 2016-03-14 18:36:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarojan
Following the goblin on this one. CSM needs to be more then a feel good pr tool to be worth the /effort to vote.

While reading through some worthy candidates I had a chance to clarify my thoughts about high sec thus:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6393657#post6393657

What is your opinion?

Will gank for food

Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#102 - 2016-03-20 15:56:59 UTC
Lal, Tora Pussydo trying again?
Well, gonna laugh when he fails =)

You couldn't do it when Marmites were at least mentioned sometimes, no way you're gonna do it now that everyone forgot who the heck Marmites are.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#103 - 2016-03-20 16:03:36 UTC
Orca Platypus wrote:
Lal, Tora Pussydo trying again?
Well, gonna laugh when he fails =)

You couldn't do it when Marmites were at least mentioned sometimes, no way you're gonna do it now that everyone forgot who the heck Marmites are.
I can't say whether Tora will make it this year, although I can say betting against someone so close last year when practically no incumbents are running is a bit too risky for my taste.

Regardless, quoting for posterity.
Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#104 - 2016-03-20 16:43:32 UTC
Ok, I have took time to read through your bs on war dec system, and ready to criticize it to a piece of turd it is.

1) Concerning player age - I see a new commodity on the market - a super-costly-to-wardec-corp with a lot of unsubbed newbros stacked in it, for veteran players, by veteran players. Calculating cost by age is therefore non-viable.
Your reminder is also a very good place when CCP goes and tells it's not a problem despite half the present people rising hands when asked if that is a problem, which shows the attitude of CCP towards that problem, and doesn't show anything else.
I mean, if even someone like you can tell it's a problem...
P.S. stating you don't make money on wardecs is the new height of hypocrisy. Should I pass over to zkillboard and calculate your monthly module and cargo drops from war targets?! What a fat liar!

2) Folding - attackers also need to do nothing to make defenders start seeking cover and take losses. So you cant have one without the other. Restricting all forms of quitting the stupid war will only make the market for injectors for people grinding up "wardec stupidity avoidance alts". If you remove options other than staying docked for a week, people will either stay docked for a week or quit. And if war lasts longer, with a joke of a cost it has now? Is that what you want, everyone quitting? Who are you going to grief then? That's stupid.

3) As you can't even mine without structures (mining needs compression, compression needs structure), no-structure corp seems a bit too limited. That said, should citadels provide such functionality, as they seem from the info, it can be fixed with one-man-anti-wardec-stupidity-structure-corp citadel as it is now with one-man-anti-wardec-stupidity-structure-corp pos installation.

4) Paying defenders for kills in hisec is just ridiculous, as the current grief deccer, spearheaded by marmites, just docks up and cries at the very prospect of losing a single frigate to defenders. It's already a huge punishing cost for a defender to buy and train a useless pvp ship, only to be blueballed by some chicken marmite in it.
I mean, it did took me 30 minutes afk on jita undock in a merlin to get 3 marmites (who docked up once I arrived) to undock and blap my ship, imagine if I come in a bc? They'll wait till there's at least 15 of them for that. Within current mechanics, grief deccer can fix it so that defender will never get a kill no matter how hard he tries, spends, etc.

5) Allies are useless. You grief deccers bring that allies point every time because of your chicken nature, but the best thing allies can do is to camp your barge 23/7 and still have it killed in process while they take the rest of griefers on. They are costly and they do nothing but scaring your pants full. Just forget about them already, no matter how much you bring, you're still not getting any attacker kills, as you'll just hole up like chickens you are and ignore them.

6) Claiming you are contracted to "kill the competition" is ridiculous as well, since everybody smarter than average grief deccer hauls with NPC alt. War dec me a Pator Tech School, Tora!

7) Merc board is a good start, but lacks one crucial piece of functionality. Currently allies are useless because grief deccer can hole up and don't fight them, while the original defender still has to undock and be vulnerable to carry on its activities. If only we had a way to transfer war decs to mercs entirely, which would not be abusable by gewnies... because in current mechanics, mercs as a grief dec counter are useless.

8) "Nerf hisec" tears are so 2012... and you still cry them, omg! To sum it up, hisec has already been nerfed all over and there is simply nothing left to further nerf.

9) Black Pedro part - sorry, I skipped it completely, the lack of consciousness he displayed in complete misunderstanding of a problem and providing solutions that make the problem much worse was too much to bear.

Overall:

Your proposal is bs, because it is:
1) Abusable (Karmafleet age will rack your cost to dec gewns to the level of "permanent excuse to never dec my gewn masters").
2) Based on wrong assumption (like that allies matter; or that defender kills are possible; or that an actual hisec corp which is not some NPSI nonsense can do something without structures in the past-hisec-nerf world; or that people care about your stupid wars; or that you don't make huge profit from war decs; or that folding a corp not specifically designed and restricted to be foldable doesn't cost more than grief dec).
3) Heavily favors grief deccer side.
4) Promotes not undocking for weeks and quittting eve.
5) No, we don't need T2 fedos. Or even T1 fedos.

Get rekt son.
Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#105 - 2016-03-20 17:19:02 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:
Orca Platypus wrote:
Lal, Tora Pussydo trying again?
Well, gonna laugh when he fails =)

You couldn't do it when Marmites were at least mentioned sometimes, no way you're gonna do it now that everyone forgot who the heck Marmites are.
I can't say whether Tora will make it this year, although I can say betting against someone so close last year when practically no incumbents are running is a bit too risky for my taste.

Regardless, quoting for posterity.


Well, hisec is already bleeding subscriptions badly for years.
At the same time, despite all the moaning, nullsec ratting graph keeps rising.

If another "nerf hisec" candidate teams up with Mike Vegetablearia and the rest of the CFCSM pushing for it, it'll be the end of eve.

Now for Tora:

You and your lap dog Pedro critically misunderstand the incentives issue. The only incentive the target of a grief dec you throw around has is "end this stupidity with minimal effort and back to whatever I was doing". Like said before, to fulfill this incentive, allies are useless, ransoms are somewhat useful, but as most post-hisec-nerf hisec corps can't even pay the grief dec bill and you're obviously gonna ransom them for more, I won't over-estimate their usefulness from something over a niche one. No war dec fix proposal would be complete without a way for defender to end the war with their actions and with as much consent as you displayed throwing that grief dec.
There are many proposals that included those ways, like ending/punishing wars with no kills, allowing the defender to "out-carebear" the war, introducing structures/mechanics defender and allies can aggressively pursue in order to conclude this war stupidity, etc. Without that, the grief deccer has all the control over the grief dec and has to do nothing to incure huge losses in ISK and playtime on the defender, enjoying complete and un-eve form of safety. Nobody should be that safe in eve, ever.
Make a good use of that in your next proposal, I'll be here to read and blow it apart.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#106 - 2016-03-20 17:37:44 UTC
Orca Platypus wrote:
If another "nerf hisec" candidate teams up with Mike Vegetablearia and the rest of the CFCSM pushing for it, it'll be the end of eve.
Mike Azariah isn't even running again. How will Tora team up with him and ruin Eve?
Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#107 - 2016-03-21 08:58:13 UTC
Thank you all for voting for me. Big smile

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