EVE General Discussion

I love how delusional groups like yours are. I went through the trouble of checking your kb and I see 0 evidence of your claims. Yeah right try to jump into the wormhole of a competent group and see what happens. The fact is no one is afraid of you and your hunting of semi-afk miners and ratting ships on autopilot. Get real mate and do something worthwhile in this online community. The watchlist change was only the beginning. The only sure thing is nothing of value is lost when groups like yours disappear.

My two cents on the war system that could improve things a little bit:

The cost for opening the war should be adjusted based on few things:

1. Number of opened wars you currently have 1st is base fee and each new war you open will cost you 10% more.
2. Base fee should be calculated based on number of members in wardecked corp or alliance, more members higher the cost.
3. Average age or SP level of members in wardecked corp new players more expensive older players cheaper.

You should research things. This part is already true.

Whatever the case, this issue must be addressed somehow.

Consider the negative psychological effect on new players. Or ask yourself, if you were starting out in a game and suddenly more experienced players declare war on you solely for the purpose of catching you at a gate, and you look them up and see they are doing it to anything that moved for the reason of killing targets alone, what impression would you have of the game at that point?

Probably not a good one. Certainly not that kind that keeps you around.

And those new players know nothing of the "politics" of high-sec war, ganking, PvP and the opinions of those for and against it, or even their motivations. Older players can understand the motivations. I can see why this is happening: nullsec still sucks for getting fights for the usual reasons, hot drops in low, etc. The hunters of highsec are there for the same reason as the carebears they are after: gate mechanics comprising fatal funnels.

The new players who know nothing of all this and have not heard the arguments only know they are being ROFLstomped by people who have no reason for it. They move on.

Then the CEO of their Corp sux.

New players can't be wardecced mostly, unless they are in a player Corp, in which case why aren't their corpmates helping them understand?

That's hardly the fault of wardeccers. That's the fault of idiot CEOs who want to build a space guild but not be responsible for anything that comes with doing so successfully.

to be honest all major war deccers camp either hubs or main routes. So i think the watch list issue is a bit mute. We managed for years without them.

Clearly the monetry value hasnt made a difference at all.
The main thing you could do is make all war decs 500mill that would make people really think about deccing random people for nothing. Wars for me should be about 'really' declaring war on someone for a reason not just for another target.


The war dec is really silly tbh, CCP just create something to circumvent the high sec mechanic of stopping people getting shot.

As i said i think war deccing is fine, but just to have lots of easy targets in highsec is not. Sure you will have the cash cows that can spend billions on targets but you cant stop that, unless you just remove war deccing altogether. Hmm now theres a thought

Except CCP says this isn't true. They told us at fanfest last year that new players that lose a ship in a war are more likely to stay with the game than those where nothing interesting happens during those first weeks in the game.

Eve has been a harsh, unforgiving place for well over a decade now. Why do you think only now, something has to be done and non-consensual PvP thrown out the window? That is not the game CCP designed nor is currently developing. If new players decide they don't like the cutthroat sandbox nature of Eve, then perhaps it is for the best that they move on. But all the hard data says that it is this competition and social interactions that keep players in the game the longest.

This is all quite off-topic though as the threads of this nature tend to drift. But perhaps these words from CCP about this game have some relevance on the topic at hand:



There is no asterisk anywhere in there saying "except in high security space". Eve online is dark, harsh game whose central pillar features non-consensual PvP. That means that no matter what you do, new players are going to lose stuff against their will at some point - that is the "non" part in non-consensual.

Wardecs can be changed, or even removed completely and replaced with some other mechanic to allow structure fighting in highsec, but at some point a new player is going to get stomped by another player and lose some stuff against their will because this is the central point of the game. Eve is a PvP sandbox where players jostle for wealth and power, often violently, and unlike traditional MMO where everyone is the hero, only one groups usually wins a given contest. That type of game is not for everyone, and wardecs are just another facet of that game play.

Wardecs can use some love; corporations more so. But ultimately, they are not going to be removed as part of some accommodation to the "think of the new player" sentiment common in veterans that CCP itself says they have no evidence of. If anything, wars need to be made more engaging and new players exposed to them sooner to increase the chances they are drawn into the game.

Far too many potential Eve players have been bored out of this game by good-meaning veterans who tell them to mine or run missions for 6 months before trying anything interesting. Wars are one of the most accessible ways allow these new players stuck on the PvE rails to nowhere to experience the wider game before they burn out or rightfully conclude (based on the decade old PvE content) that Eve is a snoozefest and unsub.

Number of wars is not the problem. It's a symptom of the problem.

Fixing locator agents to return 'outside of sphere of influnce' for offline players would mitigate the problem in high sec.
It wont do much for the other sectors of space from what I can tell though.

The root problem is not mechanical so much as psychological. As Ralph's pointed out, it is still possible to hunt WT's in high sec. On the other hand, I've spent literally HOURS flying around in search of a target since the change and have had almost no luck. There's no lack of targets, I should have hundreds to choose from. Granted, during my playtime there may be as few as one or as many as a dozen on at once... shouldn't be too hard to find them in all of empire space, right?

I'm going to keep trying, but I can fully well understand why someone else in the same situation would say 'eh, screw it. dec EVERYONE and let them come to us.'

Until there's a viable means of actually hunting targets again then this kind of thing is just going to go on. Trying to 'fix' the war mechanic to compensate is not going to work out well.

Grab your helmets kiddies, the hubs and pipes just got a lot more interesting.

please check into anger management little miss angry