EVE General Discussion

Then i would do space spinning and station watching all day and do nothing.


Then i don't understand what carebear means.

We have many clients, I run 16 posses (not highsec) on my alts and I have alts who are nasty little ******* and who will steal everything from you (Fedo's first!).

That's pretty obvious, I'll make it simple for you

If you expect CCP to provide you with safety and that the game change to suit your playstyle? You're a carebear.

If you provide your own safety and change your playstyle to suit the game? You're not a carebear.

There's plenty of PvE players, who solely do PvE, that provide for their own safety. There's also plenty of PvP players that also indulge in the PvE playstyle to provide them with standings for locator agents, isk to buy that next shiny Loki explosion etc. Neither group are carebears.

You lost me after simple fix. If one thing has been proven the last years, is that there isnt a simple fix for this. Main reason we setup the war dec Google doc with carebears, mercs and dedicated players.

Well wars got too expensive for small entities so large ones formed to bear the costs which meant more people came to them for the volume of decs which meant they could afford more decs which caused more decs which brought more people etc etc etc

Go ahead, post in the features and ideas forum with your proposal and ask CCP to implement it. If it ever comes to pass, I, and many others, have tear collection arrays standing by to harvest the resulting saline explosion when it all goes hilariously wrong.

You do realise that merc groups are forced by game mechanics to wardec multiple targets at once in order to get a fight? For every 10 corps they wardec (a minimum of a 500 million isk investment) they are likely to get maybe 1 or 2 that don't roll corp, log off for the duration or otherwise evade the war.

Any proposals that involve increasing the cost of wardecs must also increase the chances of the merc corps actually getting a fight for their isk by curtailing the ability to evade a war at little or zero cost.

You've yet to explain the how and why of it being viable beyond stating that "wardecs are too cheap"

Merc corps are willing to admit that wardecs need attention, the problem is that nobody knows how to actually fix them; 100% of the "solutions" that have been implemented and the suggestions that have been made over the years have failed to do so, what makes yours better?

Imagine a future where a majority of the hisec merc corps are gathered under 1 or 2 banners; where CODE.s numbers have increased exponentially due to the remaining mercs joining them because they can't afford to wardec people or don't get on with the merc supercorps.

It's not only the numbers you have to worry about, it's the collective years of experience and knowledge, the pre-existing intel networks, the tactics and all the other things that come together when you force a gathering of specialists.

To use a crap analogy; the current merc corps are colleges of destruction, when all of them gather in 1 or 2 places they become universities of devastation.

Allow me to disagree that you want fights maybe you wanted to say you want easy kills that look nice on the kill board.

If you wanted fights you will go low or null and will not even care to open war against high sec care bear corp since war only matters in high sec.

It only cost 2M ISK to declare war on a corporation before the last revamp where CCP said they thought wardecs were underutilized, and they raised it 25-fold. Why should they raise it again if they are trying to get players to actually use the mechanic?

Wardecs are just there to turn off CONCORD - that's all. They cannot really be "abused" because that is their primary purpose. Eve is a game about shooting spaceships, and this includes shooting them for reasons you seem to look down upon like gaining killboard numbers or ganking industrial ships.

Can wars be made more fun/fair/interesting? I have no doubt. But cranking up the cost so that only large organizations can afford to use them is not the path to that I am sure. If CCP has gone to the effort to code in the war declaration mechanic, players should be able to use it. All players. Not just rich veterans or members of large groups. If CCP decides that wars are too disruptive or unbalanced, there are much better ways to tweak the mechanic than just making it prohibitively expensive to most groups.

Saline content

Does it? All I'm seeing is people docking up or disbanding their corps during the wardec. Where exactly is the content?

Paying taxes to get out of it (you only have the brief 24 hr warning period to do it, once the fighting starts it can't be canceled) simply delays the inevitable; it's not like the target 2-3 man corps will have the ISK to compete with Marmite's bank. And it creates an ISK sink that takes advantage of this spamming of wardecs.

Ralph: Locator agents not working on a target means they're in a wormhole. This is (one reason) why I prefer that the locator gives the last known address for offline people. But anyway, we've argued both sides before, so I guess we'll see if CCP does anything, and what.

EDIT: Vincent, no, they only have the initial 24hr period BEFORE the fighting starts to out-wallet each other. Once the 24hr passes, and fighting starts, then the war can't be canceled. Actually, personally I'd give them 24hrs for wallet wars, then 24hrs for the "prepare yourselves" period, then the war is on.

Also, the wardeccers don't have to form alt corps; all they have to do is pay a bigger fee, something that the defenders can't afford to match.